Proposed changes to the Premier league

[catcherintherye]

Yes, but in all seriousness, no one can argue they will equally. My gut feeling is this will be the beginning of discussion about a more structure PPV / PPC (Club) model, where the club with be merited based on demand generated.

Well of course they can. How much more revenue are Spurs or City generating Villa or Newcastle?

It's a fallacy. The league is the USP. You throw United or Liverpool on in the FA Cup, or throw West Ham V Villa on in the PL last season and it's easy to see which one gets more views. The PL is the key. If they were the big revenue drivers, why are viewerships for the CL, where they exclusively play each other dropping?

It's also worth stating, they already take up a huge and disproportionate amount of the revenue already. So it's not like they aren't being rewarded. You could actually argue they are perhaps too well rewarded.

 

[trueblue84]

What would happen if West ham and Southampton were relegated? Would they still be able to vote even though they aren't in the league?

 

[number4.]

West Ham have. I tend to read it that the lack of clubs supporting it looks a bit odder. I mean the FA may throw it out.

The problem is, it legitmises myths like they bring in the revenue and the league would struggle without them, and lower league teams are profilgate, inequality is important and good etc.

For context, I need to be clear that I would not be in favour of a change in TV rights distribution & personally, I believe the league should be as close to a meritocracy as is possible within the remits of stadium revenue, owner investment and TV rights, which ultimately act as the leveler of the playing feed.

But in terms of legitimising Myths; i'm just not buying into that. To suggest Burnley generate as much Global viewing of the Premier league as Man United is simply not true. At their peak (2012 figures), 70% of global viewing of PL matches were Man United & to use an inappropriate analogy, if I was a stripper in a strip club responsible for 70% of the cash collected, I would be fairly pissed off if it was divided equally between the 20 dancers.

That said, there is an argument that the other 19 dancers maintain the crowd while I'm off doing lapdances ;-)

 

[number4.]

What would happen if West ham and Southampton were relegated? Would they still be able to vote even though they aren't in the league?

Under the proposal, the next in line would be added to the 9, with them removed

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

What's worrying is the lack of any clubs coming out and rubbishing it. I fear they have already brought quite a few clubs with them privately

Waiting for how it lays and plays, hopefully it's nay...

 

[Zezti]

No club should have special status/power.

 

[GlosBlue]

It's farcical that they think they should have more of a vote than any other team. It's basically bribery; "Hey, if you let is have all the power, we will trickle down one of our annual transfer budgets to the lower leagues". Wow thanks Top 6 that's so kind.

 

[catcherintherye]

For context, I need to be clear that I would not be in favour of a change in TV rights distribution & personally, I believe the league should be as close to a meritocracy as is possible within the remits of stadium revenue, owner investment and TV rights, which ultimately act as the leveler of the playing feed.

But in terms of legitimising Myths; i'm just not buying into that. To suggest Burnley generate as much Global viewing of the Premier league as Man United is simply not true. At their peak (2012 figures), 70% of global viewing of PL matches were Man United & to use an inappropriate analogy, if I was a stripper in a strip club responsible for 70% of the cash collected, I would be fairly pissed off if it was divided equally between the 20 dancers.

That said, there is an argument that the other 19 dancers maintain the crowd while I'm off doing lapdances ;-)

The strip club analogy doesn't work though. People tune in to watch some teams, defeat other teams, You need both.

I mean Everton hold the record viewers for a game, yet we are well below the TV payments for 5 of the top 6 who don't hold that record. How is it fairness we would be given less money in relation to them?

There is inequality already baked in. The product generates the money. At different moments different teams will be at the top and get more viewers, which will be changeable, but crucially it's the product in it's entirity that generates the income. We need to shatter the myth people tune in to watch Liverpool, or United. They tune in to watch the Premier League.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

No club should have special status/power.

An absolute joke this money grab... I really hope those in charge of our club distance themselves very quickly from this project big picture, christ it's even got the insidious three word slogan for thick people!

 

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[number4.]

The strip club analogy doesn't work though. People tune in to watch some teams, defeat other teams, You need both.

I mean Everton hold the record viewers for a game, yet we are well below the TV payments for 5 of the top 6 who don't hold that record. How is it fairness we would be given less money in relation to them?

There is inequality already baked in. The product generates the money. At different moments different teams will be at the top and get more viewers, which will be changeable, but crucially it's the product in it's entirity that generates the income. We need to shatter the myth people tune in to watch Liverpool, or United. They tune in to watch the Premier League.

So are you suggesting the Man U v Sheffield United, Man U V Burnley and Burnley v Sheffield United, would all generate similar global levels of viewing.

Looking at 2019/20 Barb data Liverpool & Man United were averaging well over two times the viewers over the course of the season, when compared with West Ham, Palace, Burnley and Brighton. I agree to an extent with your arguement that it's the product that generates the money, but the BARB numbers don't lie

Average viewers per game (UK only)

• Liverpool – 1,662,801
• Manchester United – 1,520,948
• Tottenham Hotspur – 1,286,847
• Chelsea – 1,143,175
• Manchester City – 1,136,054
• Arsenal – 1,117,644
• Wolverhampton Wanderers – 1,108,265
• Everton – 1,064,044
• Norwich City – 987,411
• Newcastle United – 955,915
• Sheffield United – 944,188
• Leicester City – 869,820
• Aston Villa – 865,251
• Watford – 814,270
• Southampton – 760,833
• Brighton & Hove Albion – 739,313
• Burnley – 703,005
• Crystal Palace – 658,897
• West Ham United – 636,296
• Bournemouth – 625,427

 

[John from Bootle]

70% of global viewing of PL matches were Man United

The flaw there is that it's not man utd vs man utd.

 

[catcherintherye]

Exclusive: Opponents to Project Big Picture say plan is 'dead in the water' as English football is split in two

Sources indicate that in face of majority opposition from Premier League, only way forward for Liverpool and United is to leave and join EFL

www.telegraph.co.uk

Fascinating.

 

[The binman chronicles]

I do hope I am with the majority in thinking that even if this did somehow benefit Everton - I'd still hate it...

In a way it would, we have already got the billionaire owner. We would be pulling up the drawbridge to cement that position. But it's a crap idea. I want more competition not less, I'm all for salary caps to spread the best players around the league.

To suggest Burnley generate as much Global viewing of the Premier league as Man United is simply not true. At their peak (2012 figures), 70% of global viewing of PL matches were Man United & to use an inappropriate analogy, if I was a stripper in a strip club responsible for 70% of the cash collected, I would be fairly pissed off if it was divided equally between the 20 dancers.

How many watch utd now though? They will have jumped to city. Basically they just want to watch PL football and whoever is winning they will watch.

 

[number4.]

In a way it would, we have already got the billionaire owner. We would be pulling up the drawbridge to cement that position. But it's a crap idea. I want more competition not less, I'm all for salary caps to spread the best players around the league.



How many watch utd now though? They will have jumped to city. Basically they just want to watch PL football and whoever is winning they will watch.

figures posted above - UK only so dont take into account the international aspect which would be even starker I suspect