Premier league domination

[havrey0123]

Needs more than one season for a trend to be seen, but it is quite noticeable how much of a closed shop so many of the leagues around Europe are now. Juventus, Bayern and PSG are almost guaranteed to win their respective leagues, and whilst Barca don't have quite such an easy ride, they still nonetheless win more often than not in recent years. I suspect that general lack of domestic competition does them no good when it comes to competitive games in Europe.

I said before only a matter of time before a European super League.
Everyone wants to see what happened in the cl this week every week.

16 teams, 2 games on Tuesday and wednesday. 3 games on Saturday and Sunday. All games televised every teams plays once a week so no one is nackered.

 

[Goat]

I said before only a matter of time before a European super League.
Everyone wants to see what happened in the cl this week every week.

16 teams, 2 games on Tuesday and wednesday. 3 games on Saturday and Sunday. All games televised every teams plays once a week so no one is nackered.

It wont work thankfully.

How are they going to get the votes?

I mean why would 2 of the top 6 vote to exclude themselves?

 

[Khalekan]

I said before only a matter of time before a European super League.
Everyone wants to see what happened in the cl this week every week.

16 teams, 2 games on Tuesday and wednesday. 3 games on Saturday and Sunday. All games televised every teams plays once a week so no one is nackered.

You wouldn’t get that type of game every week in a league situation because you would not get that scenario every week.

Those matches were dramatic against the backdrop of that most exciting of formats....sudden death, knock out football.

What you are suggesting is an extended version of the tedious CL group stage.

 

[havrey0123]

You wouldn’t get that type of game every week in a league situation because you would not get that scenario every week.

Those matches were dramatic against the backdrop of that most exciting of formats....sudden death, knock out football.

What you are suggesting is an extended version of the tedious CL group stage.

Have a league seperate played home and away.
and a knockout competition played in venues all over the world seperate with massive financial benefits

The money would be staggering

 

[Chris O'Connor]

I think this year's good showing by English clubs is more of a fluke than the start of a period of domination.
Looking at the league form of Tottenham, how on earth have they reached the CL final? Are they really that good? They only just scraped through the group stages! (As did the rs).
Arsenal have hardly performed brilliantly in any competition and they just can't play away from home. How are they within 90 minutes of a final?
You could almost say the same about Chelsea.
I'm happy to eat my words if we have the same scenario next season but I just don't see it happening.

Only a matter of time before Manchester City eventually dominate Europe as much as they do domestically imo.

It was other premier league sides that have been their downfall in the last two years, and yet they could be on the verge of retaining the premier league title. Liverpool finalists two years on the trot aren't going away however much we try and rationalise it and point to their shaky group stage, didnt Real get absolutely hammered by Spurs in last years group stages but still won it.

Even an average or a shockingly poor premier league side in United knocked out PSG, who always find a way to get knocked out tbf - perhaps their own shockingly poor domestic league is to blame, and Arsenal could easily make it five premier league sides competing in next season's competition.

Its finances that usually dictate and European teams are seriously envious of the billion pound mega tv deals done by the premier league which has at least not had the same club or clubs winning it for the last million years.

The European clubs are seeing a hopeless case of the gap getting wider if they don't act, so this summer they are going to launch a new format with less meritocracy that will feature only the European giants (including prem teams) in a league type structure with perhaps only four places up for grabs from the rest of the English, Spanish, German and Italian leagues (,of those already not guaranteed a place) and the second tier of leagues or minor leagues in Eastern Europe and Scotland entirely shut out.

So from 2024, A European super league in all but name which will be able to demand better tv deals for more games between European giants guaranteed their place and entirely serve the self interest of the European giants who can see a financial chasm developing between the saleable premier league and their own entirely non-competitive versions.

 

[Chris O'Connor]

No chance, we allready have more then most other countries, they allready chanaged the rules once to stop 5 EPL teams playing in the champions league

They have changed the rules to ALLOW five premier league sides to qualify too now, in that the champions of both European competition automatically qualify no matter where they finish domestically.

So if Arsenal, as United did relatively recently under Mourinho, finish outside the top four and win the Europa league, then the premier league will have City, Liverpool, Spurs, Chelsea and Arsenal entered next year.

Only last season the premier league had five entrants including Man United who were fifth the season before.

The premier league can have a maximum of five entrants so if two premier league sides won both competitions while both finished outside the top four, then the team actually finishing fourth would only go into the Europa.

 

[Khalekan]

Have a league seperate played home and away.
and a knockout competition played in venues all over the world seperate with massive financial benefits

The money would be staggering

No doubt it would.

But the concept is boring and is anathema to proper football fans.....for whom the money is meaningless as none of it ends in our pockets.

 

[Khalekan]

They have changed the rules to ALLOW five premier league sides to qualify too now, in that the champions of both European competition automatically qualify no matter where they finish domestically.

So if Arsenal, as United did relatively recently under Mourinho, finish outside the top four and win the Europa league, then the premier league will have City, Liverpool, Spurs, Chelsea and Arsenal entered next year.

Only last season the premier league had five entrants including Man United who were fifth the season before.

The premier league can have a maximum of five entrants so if two premier league sides won both competitions while both finished outside the top four, then the team actually finishing fourth would only go into the Europa.

That rule was not changed solely for the benefit of EPL teams.

It is equally applicable to other countries, e.g. Spain, which have the top four teams in their league qualifying for the CL.

 

[havrey0123]

No doubt it would.

But the concept is boring and is anathema to proper football fans.....for whom the money is meaningless as none of it ends in our pockets.

 

[Chris O'Connor]

That rule was not changed solely for the benefit of EPL teams.

It is equally applicable to other countries, e.g. Spain, which have the top four teams in their league qualifying for the CL.

Yes I know it is a rule applying to any one league, although in effect only really applying to leagues strong enough to have the possibility of a team finishing 5th, 6th or even far lower domestically and still winning either of the two European Leagues.

With the prem, its happened when both Liverpool in 2005 won the CL and finished 5th and Chelsea in 2012 although unfortunately at that time a max of 4 applied which meant Spurs in fourth were demoted to the Europa. A couple of years ago United won the Europa and finished outside the top four, with the 5 team rule in operation, the following year, last year, the prem had five in the CL.

If Arsenal win the Europa, next year there will again be five.

If Arsenal do win the Europa it will be the fourth occasion a team from further down the premier league (outside the top four) has won a major European competition despite not being particularly strong domestically.

 

[TheBigIguana]

I'd imagine the Messi/Ronaldo era of dominance is just about over. It's crazy that from 2008 until this season they've won 8 of now 12 Champions Leagues. Someone will have to fill the void and given the absurd amount of money and the already strong base of talent it isn't unreasonable for the Premier League to be the ones who step up.

I just hate whe tits like Lineker act like it's an English accomplishment. Teams bankrolled by Americans, Russians and Middle Easterners managed by Argentines, Spaniards, Germans and Italians and starring Egyptians, Belgians and Frenchman who play in an English city doesn't mean this is all because of English people you bells.

 

[Chris O'Connor]

I just hate whe tits like Lineker act like it's an English accomplishment. Teams bankrolled by Americans, Russians and Middle Easterners managed by Argentines, Spaniards, Germans and Italians and starring Egyptians, Belgians and Frenchman who play in an English city doesn't mean this is all because of English people you bells.

Yes all the teams and not just in the prem, but in Spain and Italy etc too, look for the top managers to coach them so they can attract the top stars from around the world.

It is a business and teams want the best talent available to increase their chances. Spurs have the largest home grown number in Harry Kane, Harry Winks, Dele Ali, Kieran Trippier, Danny Rose and Eric Dier when all are fit but most sides haven't that many.

The English, Spanish etc.. clubs do have a tradition and identity associated with the city or town where they were founded and their support is mostly based in their home location supplemented with the worldwide support that massive clubs now enjoy, their traditions go back long before the influx of overseas stars to all the major European teams.

Most clubs have an identity and heritage which is integral to the club, and the city or town where they play is integral to that. The current personnel in all major clubs is multinational, but the club is very much part of the heritage and culture of the place where it is based. It's wrong to try and separate it from that culture in that now the players aren't English or from Liverpool, London or even Barcelona.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Yes all the teams and not just in the prem, but in Spain and Italy etc too, look for the top managers to coach them so they can attract the top stars from around the world.

It is a business and teams want the best talent available to increase their chances. Spurs have the largest home grown number in Harry Kane, Harry Winks, Dele Ali, Kieran Trippier, Danny Rose and Eric Dier when all are fit but most sides haven't that many.

The English, Spanish etc.. clubs do have a tradition and identity associated with the city or town where they were founded and their support is mostly based in their home location supplemented with the worldwide support that massive clubs now enjoy, their traditions go back long before the influx of overseas stars to all the major European teams.

Most clubs have an identity and heritage which is integral to the club, and the city or town where they play is integral to that. The current personnel in all major clubs is multinational, but the club is very much part of the heritage and culture of the place where it is based. It's wrong to try and separate it from that culture in that now the players aren't English or from Liverpool, London or even Barcelona.

The big difference to me is where the money comes from. English teams are funded by money from basically everywhere but England. Spurs are the only real exception to this. Even Watford and Wolves have foreign bankrolls. So to me it is unfair to say it's an English accomplishment when it quite frankly couldn't have happened without large sums of cash coming in the same way I'd be shocked to here anyone outside of France call PSG winning something a French accomplishment. It's too globalized for that.

 

[Chris O'Connor]

The big difference to me is where the money comes from. English teams are funded by money from basically everywhere but England. Spurs are the only real exception to this. Even Watford and Wolves have foreign bankrolls. So to me it is unfair to say it's an English accomplishment when it quite frankly couldn't have happened without large sums of cash coming in the same way I'd be shocked to here anyone outside of France call PSG winning something a French accomplishment. It's too globalized for that.

Yes it is an English clubs' accomplishment and those clubs utilise the best employees they can get regardless of where they were born.

The clubs are almost always associated with the cities in which they originated, and the fan bases and heritage of the clubs are very much tied to the culture and history of those cities, they can in some cases almost go hand in hand.

Football is a business and like any business making lots of money, investors and in some cases, oil states, from around the world will battle for a share of that wealth, that is the way business works.

Daniel Levy's stewardship of Spurs has been remarkable in that not so long ago they were in the same 'challenger' grouping of clubs with ourselves, clearly below the giants of the premier league and not having the wealth or finances to really compete with them. Now, on far less money, running a strict wage structure and with a relatively modest transfer budget, certainly far less than the big boys in the league, they have a magnificent new stadium and have properly moved up to be counted as one of the 'big six'.

To do this while keeping and investing in home grown talent is both unusual and encouraging for those like ourselves, who are hoping that we can one day soon, do likewise.

 

[Chris O'Connor]

Have a league seperate played home and away.
and a knockout competition played in venues all over the world seperate with massive financial benefits

The money would be staggering

As one of the journalists said recently (Sam Wallace)

Shameful Champions League proposals backed by Barcelona are rife with self-interest and would stifle evolution

Quoting....

'Clubs like Barcelona think they need this new Champions League more than ever. This closed-shop, de facto European super league by the back door; this made-for-television, new-markets conquering, big football, big greed, destruction of the last vestiges of a beautiful, original idea.

Barcelona do not have as much money as they would like. They do, however, have the highest annual wage bill in European football, at €639 million. They have an agreement to sign Frenkie De Jong, one of the standout talents of this season’s Champions League. Like Real Madrid, short on cash, committed on wages,'

I add....

They see the mega billion premier league TV deals and see a chasm growing ever wider, they need to stop the premier league juggernaut in its tracks, to take away it's giants and tie them to their new league, the league where they get a huge share of revenue too, to promote themselves while cutting off the source of major disadvantage.

The premier league may be on the verge of dominance, so time to act, to get even.