Poll: Should we attempt to tie Ronald Koeman to a new, improved contract like we did with Martinez?

Should we try to tie down Koeman for longer asap?

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He's already on a massive contract in money terms, he needs to have us qualifying for champions league and when his contract has 1 year left then offer something better but still on a 3 year term
 

davek said:
You cant stop talented people bettering themselves, it's unnatural.

He'll be at the Nou Camp next season. It's just inevitable. They've seen what he's done with Everton - the signing of star players like Bolasie and Ashley Williams, the 50 odd points in a single season - and will be determined to get some of that Europa League action themselves.
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What's that "old" phrase - "Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit"?
 
One, he signs that contract. If he doesn't sign that contract then we need to sell the manager. It's simple, it's not so difficult in my opinion.
 
upthetoffees said:
One, he signs that contract. If he doesn't sign that contract then we need to sell the manager. It's simple, it's not so difficult in my opinion.
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You make a good point there. Koeman has stated a few times that it's not the right time to talk of him extending contracts. But IIRC doesn't he have precisely the amount of time Lukaku has left on his?

Doesn't exactly give anyone a strong moral bargaining position to persuade RL to stay on if the feller asking him to isn't prepared to lead the way.
 
For me, lets wait and see. The second season will be important, in seeing him build upon hat we have done. If he goes to Barca, we now have the funding to appoint a decent manager.
 
Genuine question.

Even if he signed a 5 year deal would it really protect us? If a club in the Champions League approaches him he'll probably leave anyway.
 

davek said:
You make a good point there. Koeman has stated a few times that it's not the right time to talk of him extending contracts. But IIRC doesn't he have precisely the amount of time Lukaku has left on his?

Doesn't exactly give anyone a strong moral bargaining position to persuade RL to stay on if the feller asking him to isn't prepared to lead the way.
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Would you want us to go and give a whopping 5 year deal to Koeman yet though? After Martinez (whatever our differing perspective, and I know we are in a minority on here!) but one should learn that a good first season isn't necessarily enough for us to go jumping into huge long term deals.

As a broader point I think such an approach underpinned the weakness and terror of the Kenwright/Moyes era. We had a chairman who treated us like we were lucky to be a PL club and a manager who treated us that we should be thankful to him we were. On that miscalculation that we could never get another good manager in, we panicked after 1 strong season with Martinez and on reflection panicked with Moyes in giving him long term deals. I think it lead to an inertia in the squad and an acceptance from the top doing quite well was enough.

To me that approach was of a time. Koeman has done well this season. However lets see how he does next year, when he will arguably have a bigger job. If the worst happens and he leaves, then with the clout we now have we should be able to attract a higher calibre of target, (I'd love to see Favre).

So for me it's a wait until Christmas.
 
catcherintherye said:
Would you want us to go and give a whopping 5 year deal to Koeman yet though? After Martinez (whatever our differing perspective, and I know we are in a minority on here!) but one should learn that a good first season isn't necessarily enough for us to go jumping into huge long term deals.

As a broader point I think such an approach underpinned the weakness and terror of the Kenwright/Moyes era. We had a chairman who treated us like we were lucky to be a PL club and a manager who treated us that we should be thankful to him we were. On that miscalculation that we could never get another good manager in, we panicked after 1 strong season with Martinez and on reflection panicked with Moyes in giving him long term deals. I think it lead to an inertia in the squad and an acceptance from the top doing quite well was enough.

To me that approach was of a time. Koeman has done well this season. However lets see how he does next year, when he will arguably have a bigger job. If the worst happens and he leaves, then with the clout we now have we should be able to attract a higher calibre of target, (I'd love to see Favre).

So for me it's a wait until Christmas.
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Martinez had offers at the end of the first season, so I suppose BK moving to stop that was understandable. What couldn't be envisaged is that RM had no ability to manage a group of players who felt they could passive aggressively call the shots and work to rule for the last 18 months of his time here.

On Koeman: no, he is defo not worth the risk. But if you're Lukaku and listening to a man who has already stated he'd be a failure to finish his career here with Everton and is not prepared to hand him a lead by entertaining talk of an extension to his own spell here then you just dismiss Koeman as not a serious player in negotiations.
 
davek said:
Martinez had offers at the end of the first season, so I suppose BK moving to stop that was understandable. What couldn't be envisaged is that RM had no ability to manage a group of players who felt they could passive aggressively call the shots and work to rule for the last 18 months of his time here.

On Koeman: no, he is defo not worth the risk. But if you're Lukaku and listening to a man who has already stated he'd be a failure to finish his career here with Everton and is not prepared to hand him a lead by entertaining talk of an extension to his own spell here then you just dismiss Koeman as not a serious player in negotiations.
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Yes thats true. Take your blue hate off though, was anything Koeman said untrue? Also is there anything Koeman can say to make Lukaku want to stay here? Even if things are going as well as I hoped they are, it seems hard to see Lukaku wanting to stay another season.
 
catcherintherye said:
Yes thats true. Take your blue hate off though, was anything Koeman said untrue? Also is there anything Koeman can say to make Lukaku want to stay here? Even if things are going as well as I hoped they are, it seems hard to see Lukaku wanting to stay another season.
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He can show him the players the club will buy that are top quality - in theory. In reality he cant persuade a player of that because he knows that we wont be attracting them or have the cash to get them in...which is probably why Koeman is hedging his bets too.
 
He signed 3 year deal and the 1st year isn't over yet so no ! Wait until end of 2nd year and then decide if he deserves an extension :-) We need to be run like a cynical business as a football club and let EITC do all the nice happy positive PR stuff!

Martinez got 10 m for being an mediocre "manager" when we got rid as he was'nt up for job and Koemans sorte the mess out pretty quickly so lets see what he adds in summer to develop us further
 

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