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toffeestillidie
Player Valuation: £35m
what's you're point, we lost a game badly nearly a year ago, and johnson took one spot kick, no team has it set in stone but arteta generally takes our pks. there's still no need to change that based on one miss.
we didn't play our best football, but we played well enough to win and thats what matters, even if it was a last gasp effort. i've never heard this much criticism after a win, do you need to remind yourself when the last time was we were competitive in european football?
no [Poor language removed] this kinda play won't cut it against better opposition, which i'm sure will be your next argument, but our level of play tends to reflect our opponents, so we can worry about that when the time comes.
SuitsBlue
Player Valuation: £50m
8 months ago.
johnson took many a spot kick for palace over 18 months ago.
''no team has it set in stone'' except arteta does - unless beattie is playing.
[Poor language removed] 'sigh'
we played very little football.
i will not make excuses, i will call it as fair as i see it, and wednesday night was not up to much.
i stuck the knife in for the blackburn FA cup game.
i mentioned our frailties away at spurs this season.
same with blackburn in the league this season.
i wont lie and make things look great for the sake of keeping a run going or some other bollocks.
i'd rather a loss and the players get grounded and determined again instead of floating along on the coat tails of beating a poor sunderland side.
consistency is key.
johnson took many a spot kick for palace over 18 months ago.
''no team has it set in stone'' except arteta does - unless beattie is playing.
[Poor language removed] 'sigh'
we played very little football.
i will not make excuses, i will call it as fair as i see it, and wednesday night was not up to much.
i stuck the knife in for the blackburn FA cup game.
i mentioned our frailties away at spurs this season.
same with blackburn in the league this season.
i wont lie and make things look great for the sake of keeping a run going or some other bollocks.
i'd rather a loss and the players get grounded and determined again instead of floating along on the coat tails of beating a poor sunderland side.
consistency is key.
toffeestillidie
Player Valuation: £35m
this run didn't get started with sunderland, i don't think we're riding its coattails at all, maybe we didn't take this game as seriously as we could have, but we obviously took it seriously enough as we came out with the win. had they not gone down to 10 men, maybe we would have had a greater sense of urgency and been less complacent, but thats football and we did what we needed to.
i said in my first post specifically the only time i'd seen johnson attempt pks "for us", i know he took 'em for palace, which contributed to his reputation as a diver, as everyone said his goal count was inflated. noone could make that accusation last season.
noones asking you to lie, don't worry your words won't make or break a run for us, they have far less impact than you'd imagine.
all i'm saying is i didn't think this game was nearly as dismal as you're painting it. it wasn't our best work but we got the win, i don't know how else to say it.
you may prefer that our team lose so we'll be determined and win later or some bollocks, but i prefer that we win now because winning is the point of playing football, winning games = good. i'd say 9 undefeated speaks to our consistency to some degree, a draw at portsmouth is not a terrible result, and as far as i'm concerned a win is never never never a bad result.
i said in my first post specifically the only time i'd seen johnson attempt pks "for us", i know he took 'em for palace, which contributed to his reputation as a diver, as everyone said his goal count was inflated. noone could make that accusation last season.
noones asking you to lie, don't worry your words won't make or break a run for us, they have far less impact than you'd imagine.
all i'm saying is i didn't think this game was nearly as dismal as you're painting it. it wasn't our best work but we got the win, i don't know how else to say it.
you may prefer that our team lose so we'll be determined and win later or some bollocks, but i prefer that we win now because winning is the point of playing football, winning games = good. i'd say 9 undefeated speaks to our consistency to some degree, a draw at portsmouth is not a terrible result, and as far as i'm concerned a win is never never never a bad result.
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Ah its great to be argueing over wins! 
In Europe no less!
In Europe no less!
For me it was definately a game of two halfs. In the first we looked really good, all that was missing was the goal, which considering the penalty miss, the shot off the line, hitting the post, the great save from Arteta's freekick plus a few other chances we really should have had. I thought McFadden was neat and tidy, dovetailing well with Arteta and Pienaar, AJ's pace was causing them problems and we were pretty much in control of the game.
The second half however was a different story as we didn't seem to know how to play against the ten men they had. Zenith improved an awful lot and had by far the better chances in the second half. I still felt we had more posession, as you'd expect with an extra man, but they seemed more threatening with it and could easily have scored. The direction and threat that we had in the first half seemed to vanish as well and we lost shape. Arteta was drifting inside a lot and so we lacked any real cutting edge down the right flank.
My ratings:
Howard 7 - saved us on the few occasions he was called upon
Neville 7 - decent enough game by Neville, especially in the first half.
Jags 5 - looked all at sea and I'm far from convinced that he's a centre half on this evidence. To be honest on his showings for us thus far I'm far from convinced he's PL quality in any position.
Lescott 8 - another rock solid performance from him. It would be great if he could find his early season scoring touch as we don't look all that good from set pieces at the moment.
Baines 6 - still not entirely convinced by him. In parts he can look superb but he's also guilty of giving the ball away in bad areas.
Carsley 6.5 - summed up the match really. In the first half he was good, holding well in midfield and unlucky with his shot off of the post. In the second half they did much better in midfield and he failed to nullify the threat of their playmaker, who was superb in the second half.
Cahill 6 - scored his goal and popped up in the box well at times but with a four man midfield he was far less adventurous and there were a few times when balls were played in that were made for him and he was holding back. No idea what happened to the shape in the second half. Jury still out on Cahill in a 4.
Arteta 6 - Mikel still frustrates me. He showed glimpses of his talent again last night, the free kick was outstanding. But he fails to boss games against the big teams often enough for my liking, and it's probably that single thing that sees him on the sidelines for Spain.
Pienaar 6 - Decent enough in the first half but went missing a bit in the second when their midfield improved.
McFadden 6.5 - I thought he had a really good first half, with the exception being his pass to AJ when a shot would probably have been better. Failed to do as much in the second as our midfield fell apart.
AJ 6 - Showed his customary effort without really getting any chances at goal.
Anichebe 6 - There were glimpses from him as his strength nearly got him into several good positions without any really paying off.
Vaughan 6 - Looked rusty and didn't really have an impact.
The second half however was a different story as we didn't seem to know how to play against the ten men they had. Zenith improved an awful lot and had by far the better chances in the second half. I still felt we had more posession, as you'd expect with an extra man, but they seemed more threatening with it and could easily have scored. The direction and threat that we had in the first half seemed to vanish as well and we lost shape. Arteta was drifting inside a lot and so we lacked any real cutting edge down the right flank.
My ratings:
Howard 7 - saved us on the few occasions he was called upon
Neville 7 - decent enough game by Neville, especially in the first half.
Jags 5 - looked all at sea and I'm far from convinced that he's a centre half on this evidence. To be honest on his showings for us thus far I'm far from convinced he's PL quality in any position.
Lescott 8 - another rock solid performance from him. It would be great if he could find his early season scoring touch as we don't look all that good from set pieces at the moment.
Baines 6 - still not entirely convinced by him. In parts he can look superb but he's also guilty of giving the ball away in bad areas.
Carsley 6.5 - summed up the match really. In the first half he was good, holding well in midfield and unlucky with his shot off of the post. In the second half they did much better in midfield and he failed to nullify the threat of their playmaker, who was superb in the second half.
Cahill 6 - scored his goal and popped up in the box well at times but with a four man midfield he was far less adventurous and there were a few times when balls were played in that were made for him and he was holding back. No idea what happened to the shape in the second half. Jury still out on Cahill in a 4.
Arteta 6 - Mikel still frustrates me. He showed glimpses of his talent again last night, the free kick was outstanding. But he fails to boss games against the big teams often enough for my liking, and it's probably that single thing that sees him on the sidelines for Spain.
Pienaar 6 - Decent enough in the first half but went missing a bit in the second when their midfield improved.
McFadden 6.5 - I thought he had a really good first half, with the exception being his pass to AJ when a shot would probably have been better. Failed to do as much in the second as our midfield fell apart.
AJ 6 - Showed his customary effort without really getting any chances at goal.
Anichebe 6 - There were glimpses from him as his strength nearly got him into several good positions without any really paying off.
Vaughan 6 - Looked rusty and didn't really have an impact.
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I,m relieved Bruce that I'm not the only one with question marks alongside Jags name
Robert Jarvis
Player Valuation: £35m
I have also, has he ever had a good game for us. Possibly with being so poor explains the situation of the less than expected performance of the midfield.
Certainly from what I have seen Jags is out of his depth, but does'nt he have a 4 year contract!!!!!!!!! so can we ever get rid? or how many chances should he be given?
Certainly from what I have seen Jags is out of his depth, but does'nt he have a 4 year contract!!!!!!!!! so can we ever get rid? or how many chances should he be given?
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TX Bill
Player Valuation: £80m
Sorry Suits, I stopped reading right there....
Fozastuta
Player Valuation: £750k
I became very frustrated with the team last night, but we pulled through in th end. We lacked what their playmaker had in abundance, played through us with ease, get him signed
Any how, no punches held here's my ratings.
* Tim Howard - Unbeatable, solid as a rock - 8
* Phil Neville (c) - Some of his passing was awful, but still got forward - 6
* Joleon Lescott - Candidate for MOM, pace and power - 8
* Leighton Baines - Got forward, lacked the final ball - 6
* Lee Carsley - Was involved start to finish, played against a class player, and did ok - 7
* Phil Jagielka - Not been impressed thus far, positioning poor, in his prefered position. He'll get better with games - 5
* Steven Pienaar - Huffed and Puffed, but in the end he was poor - 5
* Tim Cahill - he;s better when playing off a front man, still realiable as ever - 7
* Mikel Arteta - Started well, but lacked an edge - 6
* Andrew Johnson - Would never of scored if we played all night, his positioning is questionable, didnt look as quick as he was. Put it down to match fitness - 5
* James McFadden - Does try to much, but he looked the better of the front 2, a few nice touches, but just like the team, lacked the killer edge.
Over all, 4-5-1 is my preffered formation, and AJ and Mcfadden doesnt do it for me, one with a bigger presence, Yakubu, Anichibe or Vaughn would of suited.
Any how, no punches held here's my ratings.
* Tim Howard - Unbeatable, solid as a rock - 8
* Phil Neville (c) - Some of his passing was awful, but still got forward - 6
* Joleon Lescott - Candidate for MOM, pace and power - 8
* Leighton Baines - Got forward, lacked the final ball - 6
* Lee Carsley - Was involved start to finish, played against a class player, and did ok - 7
* Phil Jagielka - Not been impressed thus far, positioning poor, in his prefered position. He'll get better with games - 5
* Steven Pienaar - Huffed and Puffed, but in the end he was poor - 5
* Tim Cahill - he;s better when playing off a front man, still realiable as ever - 7
* Mikel Arteta - Started well, but lacked an edge - 6
* Andrew Johnson - Would never of scored if we played all night, his positioning is questionable, didnt look as quick as he was. Put it down to match fitness - 5
* James McFadden - Does try to much, but he looked the better of the front 2, a few nice touches, but just like the team, lacked the killer edge.
Over all, 4-5-1 is my preffered formation, and AJ and Mcfadden doesnt do it for me, one with a bigger presence, Yakubu, Anichibe or Vaughn would of suited.
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Sharpys top lip
Player Valuation: £60m
Suites what game was you watching? and how much did you drink last night? yes it was'nt sunderland again but they come along every 10 years. we'v just finished top of a very hard group. would you rather a "we played really well over the four games but just missed out".
You have to remember were on a learning curve in europe. and doing well i think. remember villareal and the other game i wont even mention. three games played three won, six goals for one against........whats the problem?
we played the russian champions,and for the first 20 min totaly out played them, we played to our strenths. quick pressure football. what ruined the game was the man being sent off. changed their tactics. they played two banks or four and tried to break. the reason their was no space in the last quarter. thought we kept at it really well,when we could have panic't and started hitting long balls.
dont know about you boys but im more than happy with the lads and the effert over the group stages. i know last night was'nt the best game to watch, but it was entertaining. suites do you think you were just frustrated with the way thing went last night? know i was till we scored.
anyway here's to the last 32 an the boys running round the city of manchester with the cup.
GhostOfDixie
Player Valuation: £70m
Well this is just posting for the sake of posting. Seems that certain Evertonians are never going to be satisfied. All the great teams win games by playing right the way through to the last minute, which is what we are doing. Man U won the treble by doing such.
14 corners to 1 shows that we dominated the attacking side of the game. But possession, its not just about what you do with the ball, its what you do without it.
The stats against Sunderland show us 45% possession to Sunderlands 55%, yet we scored 7 goals. We won the game because we scored more than them.
Clean sheets have been hard to come by recently, but we have gone 2 games now without conceding, and lets be fair, there wasn't that much threat from the Russians last night, not really.
But I really can't believe that Suits is moaning here. We won the [Poor language removed] game, we won the group, we have qualified top of a group that many experts were saying was not an easy one. Last night they may have been technically better on the ball, but its about having the heart to play till the end and grind out results. That's whats important.
Plus 7 wins out of 9 (the other 2 drawn) is not a bad record. Christ hate to have met you during the mid 90's. Was the suicide rate up in your local?
14 corners to 1 shows that we dominated the attacking side of the game. But possession, its not just about what you do with the ball, its what you do without it.
The stats against Sunderland show us 45% possession to Sunderlands 55%, yet we scored 7 goals. We won the game because we scored more than them.
Clean sheets have been hard to come by recently, but we have gone 2 games now without conceding, and lets be fair, there wasn't that much threat from the Russians last night, not really.
But I really can't believe that Suits is moaning here. We won the [Poor language removed] game, we won the group, we have qualified top of a group that many experts were saying was not an easy one. Last night they may have been technically better on the ball, but its about having the heart to play till the end and grind out results. That's whats important.
Plus 7 wins out of 9 (the other 2 drawn) is not a bad record. Christ hate to have met you during the mid 90's. Was the suicide rate up in your local?
Sharpys top lip
Player Valuation: £60m
just said the same thing nearly!! but i agree with you totaly..........as you said this beats the mid-late 90's shiite we had to put up with. take winning in europe any day!!!
GhostOfDixie
Player Valuation: £70m
I didn't read it all. Sorry not copying.
I haven't posted here for a while because it just becomes a sounding board for grievances with the club. But I'm not going to complain about a team who have won 7 out of the last 9 games. True Evertonians don't.
I haven't posted here for a while because it just becomes a sounding board for grievances with the club. But I'm not going to complain about a team who have won 7 out of the last 9 games. True Evertonians don't.
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