Norf Larndan footie banter...

[matty1878]

Locally maybe, I’d say City almost certainly have larger worldwide fanbase nowadays due to recent success. Sadly for Everton we were boss during a time period when English footy was nowhere near as popular around the world as it is nowadays. Whilst we battle around mid table teams like City and Chelsea have had huge success when the premier league is at its absolute peak and pulled in millions of new fans around the world.

Do we really want to go all Liverpool and desperately cling to former glories from over two decades ago as our only way of proving we’re a bigger club than other clubs who smash us on every other factor taken into consideration ? Literally no one else other than our fans is going to buy into it...

I’m not clinging to former glory’s right now they do, if we get usmanov and the new ground that will change.

 

[longers]

I’m not clinging to former glory’s right now they do, if we get usmanov and the new ground that will change.

Getting a new ground and owner doesn’t guarantee success sadly, especially not in an era where most clubs are minted.

Chelsea and City got lucky with their cash injections in that it happened before financial fair play and also no one else could compete with them financially. That’s not so much the case anymore... the leagues now more competitive than ever.

I don’t think a new stadium or usmanov garauntees anything, there are six clubs who are all several years ahead of us in terms of development and in a better position to improve further.

 

[matty1878]

Getting a new ground and owner doesn’t guarantee success sadly, especially not in an era where most clubs are minted.

Chelsea and City got lucky with their cash injections in that it happened before financial fair play and also no one else could compete with them financially. That’s not so much the case anymore... the leagues now more competitive than ever.

I don’t think a new stadium or usmanov garauntees anything, there are six clubs who are all several years ahead of us in terms of development and in a better position to improve further.

MONEY makes the world go round.

 

[emir]

I hate you because you melted against the rs. That was you first and only chance to put your club on the map.

EFC are a much, much bigger club than spurs though...this little period will go down for you lot as a golden period without ever winning anything because you and the media 'big' up spurs...

EFC "much much bigger club than Spurs"? What drugs are you on?

 

[The binman chronicles]

We’re really not, it’s not the mid 80s anymore mate. Just about everyone bar Everton and bitter Arsenal fans would agree Spurs are a bigger club than us nowadays. Larger fanbase, bigger stadium, more relevant, playing in champ league finals, more high profile players, more than double our following on social media...

You’re living in cloud cuckoo land if you think Everton are a “much, much bigger club than spurs”.

There are 9 league titles to argue against that statement. There is this transient status which stacks up heavily in Spurs favour to say they are the better more attractive club at the moment, but they too have won bugger all recently.

Historically it can be said we are two of the giants of english football but until they win their 7/8th title they are not a bigger club to go with their better european record and domestic cups than us. Even in the 80's just because we went through a purple patch didn't make us a far bigger club than say Villa.

This is the first season out of god knows how many that they have had the bigger stadium, they started to be a CL club 2010-11 and still they are yet to take the next step up and start winning pots. Newcastle were a CL club with a bigger stadium, are they still bigger than us overall as a club? Whose currently better and bigger will always swing decade to decade, imho overall you need to show that with league titles.

 

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There are 9 league titles to argue against that statement. There is this transient status which stacks up heavily in Spurs favour to say they are the better more attractive club at the moment, but they too have won bugger all recently.

Yeah but 9 league titles with the last one being won 25 odd years ago doesn't come close to offsetting the other stuff imo. You ask the majority of people who is a bigger club they will say Spurs and they wouldn't even think twice about it.

Historically it can be said we are two of the giants of english football but until they win their 7/8th title they are not a bigger club to go with their better european record and domestic cups than us. Even in the 80's just because we went through a purple patch didn't make us a far bigger club than say Villa.

In the 80's English football wasn't globalised the way it is now. Global fanbases have skyrocketed over the past decade. Just competing at the top end of the table has a huge effect on brand awareness (cringe) which ultimately leads to clubs gaining more supporters.

This is the first season out of god knows how many that they have had the bigger stadium,

Sure, but they have always had a bigger fanbase for the simple fact that they are in my experience (of having lived here most of my life) the most widely supported club in a city that dwarves Liverpool in terms of population. Their waiting list for season tickets before the new stadium was ridiculous.

they started to be a CL club 2010-11 and still they are yet to take the next step up and start winning pots. Newcastle were a CL club with a bigger stadium, are they still bigger than us overall as a club? Whose currently better and bigger will always swing decade to decade, imho overall you need to show that with league titles.

But how long do you cling to the league titles for ?

League titles obviously play a part but if you haven't won any for over three decades then I'm not really sure it's much of a factor unless the clubs are closely matched in other areas (which in this case they aren't).

 

[The binman chronicles]

Yeah but 9 league titles with the last one being won 25 odd years ago doesn't come close to offsetting the other stuff imo. You ask the majority of people who is a bigger club they will say Spurs and they wouldn't even think twice about it.



In the 80's English football wasn't globalised the way it is now, I can't stress just how big a deal it is for clubs to be competing at the top of the table during this period of time in English football. Global fanbases have skyrocketed. Just competing at the top end of the table has a huge effect on brand awareness and all that tosh.



Sure, but they have always had bigger fanbase for the simple fact that they are in my experience (of having lived here most of my life) the most widely supported club in a city that dwarves Liverpool in terms of population. Their waiting list for season tickets before the new stadium was ridiculous.



But how long do you cling to the league titles for ? The fact that very few people other than Evertonians would consider us a bigger club says it all.

Trophies play a part but if you haven't won any for over 2 decades then I'm not really sure it's much of a factor unless the clubs are closely matched in other areas (which in this case they aren't)

Spurs have only won a league cup in the last 20 years. And 2 of them in 28 years since their last FA cup win in 91. They last won the league in 1961. League titles aren't the be all and end all but least Chelsea and City who have won less than us have still won the league a decent amount of times and recently.

As for the size of the support again by that case Newcastle are the bigger club because they command the whole city? Global fan base is transient fuelled by the fact spurs are in the CL and at the top end of the league. IF we get in that position that will change for us too. These can be thrown into the argument but they can only count for fractions in the outcome.

I'm not doubting they are the bigger club right at this moment if you asked fans etc. But those that count the 100+ years of the clubs existence cannot be so quick to judge. This time period is just a passing moment and up to this point Spurs like Everton will just be mentioned in passing in any annals that document these years.

 

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Spurs have only won a league cup in the last 20 years. And 2 of them in 28 years since their last FA cup win in 91. They last won the league in 1961. League titles aren't the be all and end all but least Chelsea and City who have won less than us have still won the league a decent amount of times and recently.

Right but this backs up my view that trophies don't mean anything in a debate about club size when neither club is winning anything in recent decades.

As for the size of the support again by that case Newcastle are the bigger club because they command the whole city?

No because I've never said the size of ones fanbase is the sole way to judge if a club is bigger, it's just one factor out of many. Everton also have a larger global fanbase than Newcastle.

Global fan base is transient fuelled by the fact spurs are in the CL and at the top end of the league. IF we get in that position that will change for us too. These can be thrown into the argument but they can only count for fractions in the outcome.

Sure, but we're not in that position and therefore we're not currently as big as them.

I'm not doubting they are the bigger club right at this moment if you asked fans etc. But those that count the 100+ years of the clubs existence cannot be so quick to judge. This time period is just a passing moment and up to this point Spurs like Everton will just be mentioned in passing in any annals that document these years.

Not many people count the 100+ years of the club though, especially not younger generations. I was born in the early 80's and couldn't give a toss about anything won before then, it may as well have never happened in my eyes. It's like when I see Liverpool fans in their 20's or whatever crowing about all their league titles... it's like 'wtf, you weren't even alive to celebrate when you won them'.

 

[Yid4life]

People seem to mix up 'bigger' with 'successful'. Chelsea have been a very successful team over the last 15-20 years but nobody who knows anything about football would call them big.

 

[Star Treatment]

The phrase "bigger club" is entirely subjective, and it all depends on how much credence you lend to historical success vs. the current status quo. The likes of Leeds and Nottingham Forest are traditionally bigger clubs than half of the Premier League, but the majority of players would value top tier football and a larger contract than playing for a club that won titles a few decades back.

 

[Deleted member 28206]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football Defo the Geordies or the south

On Sunday, a number of Arsenal fan groups called for "urgent action" over the "state of things" at the club.

they are 1 point off 5th, exactly where they finished last season.

 

[Seathestars]

No, No, No. Gawd luv us.

1. West Am. Leyton Orient East London

2.Arse & Spuz North London

3.Chels, Foolham, qpr, Brentford West London

4. Palace, Millwall, Charlton South London

Norf

Sarf

Landon

 

[Walham Green Blue]

People seem to mix up 'bigger' with 'successful'. Chelsea have been a very successful team over the last 15-20 years but nobody who knows anything about football would call them big.

I do. My club’s bigger than yours. Now put up yer dukes!

 

[Yarrgh]

I do. My club’s bigger than yours. Now put up yer dukes!

It's so much more enjoyable seeing other teams' fans 'interact' than having to deal with Everton!

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

I do. My club’s bigger than yours. Now put up yer dukes!

So Chelsea are 2nd behind arsenal?