New Stadium or Redeveloped Goodison?

[BlueToff]

In the event we did redevelop Goodison (which all though is definitely possible but probably won't happen), then I'd imagine we'd be at Wigan for however long it took. The pitch is terrible though.

 

[ncblue]

A redevelopment of Goodison is very romantic but given the level of investment and sponsorship we (hopefully) we see now I'm voting for a new stadium. We need to exploit the fact that Liverpool has an iconic waterfront and build something there. That alone would set us apart from every other Premiership ground and make the stadium recognizable world wide. Plus... how much would that aggravate the reds? Every time a photo is shown of Liverpool with the Liver Buildings and the docks... there will be our shiny new stadium. Liverpool will be known for Everton FC - and a smaller club somewhere around Anfield.

 

[JordanianEmbassy]

In the event we did redevelop Goodison (which all though is definitely possible but probably won't happen), then I'd imagine we'd be at Wigan for however long it took. The pitch is terrible though.

This is one of the assumptions I was talking about when I posted the links on the last page. Re-development doesn't necessarily mean we have to move in the meantime. One figure I saw was that it could be done in a way that capacity wouldn't fall below 36,000. (This was just one of many different schemes though)

 

[BlueToff]

This is one of the assumptions I was talking about when I posted the links on the last page. Re-development doesn't necessarily mean we have to move in the meantime. One figure I saw was that it could be done in a way that capacity wouldn't fall below 36,000. (This was just one of many different schemes though)

No I know mate. I've literally just read through the PDF that went into the detail and CAD drawings etc.

If it did get re-developed in one lump or demolished though and we chose to build on that site then I'm assuming we would have to move. All hypothetical of course.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

This is one of the assumptions I was talking about when I posted the links on the last page. Re-development doesn't necessarily mean we have to move in the meantime. One figure I saw was that it could be done in a way that capacity wouldn't fall below 36,000. (This was just one of many different schemes though)

The space behind the main stand simply isn't big enough to create what we need, and that's before you factor in the practicalities of building in that limited space - without compulsory purchase of some of the housing directly behind it.

There's a world of difference between drawing up a plan that fits the current footprint and then transposing that into a scheme of works that is achievable.

Look at the space behind the RS's new stand and just how long that's taken them to achieve in terms of running down the area by buying up housing stock, and then LCC giving them the CPO's needed to complete the job.

 

[blulouie]

There have been alot of assumptions in this thread about what is and isn't possible with regards to re-developing Goodison. These documents are fairly old now but show some of the things that could be done from the point of view of professionals:

1) Trevor Skemptons comments back in 2007: http://toffeeweb.com/season/06-07/comment/fans/13407-Skempton.asp
- Note that he was responsible for the St James Park re-development.

2) One of various documents written by Tom Hughes in the aftermath of Kirkby. At the time he presented documents to show how you could redevelop 1, 2, 3 or all 4 stands. This is the 3 stand design: http://toffeeweb.com/club/goodison/Redeveloped_Goodison_Park.pdf

Note that neither of these documents show all of the possibilities. I have seen other suggestions from both of the above 2 authors which are not included here.

In an ideal world we could just wake up start of next season and walk up to a New Goodison like that.
I think theres not many Blues that wouldnt want to see The Old Lady brought upto date like the models shown.
But unfortunately this would be a mammoth undertaking by the club , taking out streets of houses , planning permission
& with distruption on a major scale plus a massive hit on matchday revenue makes it a none starter.
Seeing what Liverpool done to residents around Anfield and the time scale doesnt sit right with me.
When it comes to moving schools & businesses it then becomes nigh on impossible.
Talk of Bridging Bullens road etc is just downright nonesense . I and I suspect many blues share
your optimism but the complexities involved makes this a no goer.Lets just stay at Goodison while a New State of the art stadium is built.

 

[JordanianEmbassy]

The space behind the main stand simply isn't big enough to create what we need, and that's before you factor in the practicalities of building in that limited space - without compulsory purchase of some of the housing directly behind it.

There's a world of difference between drawing up a plan that fits the current footprint and then transposing that into a scheme of works that is achievable.

Look at the space behind the RS's new stand and just how long that's taken them to achieve in terms of running down the area by buying up housing stock, and then LCC giving them the CPO's needed to complete the job.

You haven't read the docs have you? We don't need to knock down the main stand stand. We can just reconfigure it.

 

[CityBlue]

If we'd had the choice, I would have preferred us to stay at Maine Road and I think many of us felt the same. I still feel a bit nostalgic about the old place from time to time but that's looking back on it through blue tinted specs and I don't think many of us would choose to go back now. There are just so many advantages to the new stadium.

 

[Fresh Prince of Belle Val]

"Imrpoving" doesn't just mean geography. If we can have a genuinely world class stadium in WHP or a slightly improved version of goodison, i'm voting for the former.

I don't believe it would be better then Goodison though. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, just I cant see it. WHP would be a step down from Goodison location wise too.

 

[JordanianEmbassy]

Talk of Bridging Bullens road etc is just downright nonesense

I admit that does seem the most far fetched of the various options presented in those docs - but the point is there are ALOT of options and many of them don't involve knocking down ANY houses and result in a huge increased capacity.

Anyone going to Villa tonight might want to look at the Holte End, then compare it to our current Park End, then look at the massive space behind it.

 

[del78]

Whether it be a new stadium or Goodison Park, would love to see steep stands and the supporters close to the pitch. Lets make it a place where opposing teams hate going to.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

You haven't read the docs have you? We don't need to knock down the main stand stand. We can just reconfigure it.

I read it years ago, and it was fanciful then imo - and still is.

Re-configuring the stand doesn't solve the issue of it's footprint and the compromises that brings with it, in terms of concourse space and corporate suites.

 

[Fresh Prince of Belle Val]

It's less than a mile from Goodison.

It's mere existence would drive businesses that could feed of it to expand / arrive.

Choosing a location based on the number of alehouses in the vicinity isn't a prime factor.

The club should be looking to ensure that they retain a much higher percentage of our match day spend anyway, and instead of local pubs etc feeding off us, they should create an environment in a new facility that encouraged us to go there for a bevvy and something to eat instead.

Don't agree, good pubs are a huge thing for a lot of us. I wouldn't drink in anything created by the club.

 

[JordanianEmbassy]

I read it years ago, and it was fanciful then imo - and still is.

Just out of interest is this a professional opinion?

 

[banno]

Loathe to leave Goodison but think it would cost more and take longer to overhaul Goodison than get a new ground. For a overhaul I reckon each stand would need to be knocked down and rebuilt and we are too enclosed with houses and school to make this a sound financial option.