New physio's?

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trueblues1985 said:
or rathbone using the training method for the whole squad, which would reduce the threat of ACL in the first place...prevent it to the point where it likely wont happen instead of using the lame it was bad luck coz we didnt do anything to try and prevent it..the evidence is right there imo...
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Its caused by sudden movement from 1 part of your knee, when another part wants to go another way, its similar to an impact injury.

Its 100% unaviodable, unless your name is Fellaini, because hes not gonna make any sudden movements at all.
 

trueblues1985 said:
Thing you have to bare in mind is, this is the first season where 3 identical and potentially career ending injuries have occured where 2 of those injuries are within 2 months of each other, and the injury which potentially ended vaughan's career a couple years ago, and he is now suffering for it (he was before came back again). Hindsight is a wonderful thing for us fans, but i do think Moyse surely needs to look at this and do some sort of investigation about why this has occured twice in a relatively short period of time.

I dont want this to become so common we end up loosing all of our best players..that is why I am very concerned. ACL is potentially career ending, and there is no guarantee the same injury (as been explained above so well) will not plight the same players over and over, the evidence is right there in vaughan..this is why this type of injury needs special consideration and taken very seriously..its no good just coming out with "its just bad luck" we need to be sure those training methods which reduce these types of injuries are being taken on board seriously (and i cite arteta and jags as case in point..i honestly do not believe jags would have been injured like this had the training been compulsory for all first team players, it would be been reduced significantly, to the point it very likely wouldnt have happened..but now its happened twice so close together)..arteta and jags will likely suffer for the rest of their careers with these horrific injuries reoccuring.
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but hasn't rathbone been at the club for years? in which case if his methods were wrong surely we'd have been having these problems consistently for a few seasons. it dosen't seem realistic to assume his performance has suddenly deteriorated unless you are aware of some new factor that has come into effect for this season specifically. your theory would stand up better if rathbone had only arrived at the club in the last year or so & his methods were proving ineffective.
 
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They Aren't!
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arteta cruciate ligament, vaughan cruciate ligament, jags cruciate ligament injury..just where are they not the same?? last time i checked arteta and jags have the same anterior cruciate ligament injury, the very same injury if I am not mistaken as Vaughan over the past 4 seasons or so.
 
DENNIS STEVENS said:
but hasn't rathbone been at the club for years? in which case if his methods were wrong surely we'd have been having these problems consistently for a few seasons. it dosen't seem realistic to assume his performance has suddenly deteriorated unless you are aware of some new factor that has come into effect for this season specifically. your theory would stand up better if rathbone had only arrived at the club in the last year or so & his methods were proving ineffective.
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it could well be new training regimes? we have no doubt changed things over the years, athletes train differently to what they once did.
Vaughan has been suffering from this for about 4 seasons now

As for ACL being unavoidable 100% thats just silly.
There are training methods which reduce the chance to get this injury by quite a significant factor. And I should point out I am not talking about any other injury I am talking about ACL injuries..other injuries are in my eye anyways no where near as severe. for example a broken leg the player can be up and about in just 3 weeks with intensive treatment. Metatarsal is a different story, but imo it might take the player out for a long period but its not as threatening as ACL injuries.
 
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You can train and train to avoid these injuries, but no amount of training can prevent your studs getting caught in a very firm pitch.
 

gkpaul said:
You can train and train to avoid these injuries, but no amount of training can prevent your studs getting caught in a very firm pitch.
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you are correct and I am not disputing that fact at all. I am concerned that these 2 injuries have occured in such a short period of time, that they happened at all is something else...its been proven by different folks over the pond in the states and over in europe that with the right training practises you can signficantly reduce your chance to get this injury buy a large margin..so much so that vaughan neednt have been out continuously with his own ACL.

Bad luck, or make your own I dunno but I hope to christ we get no more of these injuries if they start suddenly becoming the latest vogue thing you know I am right..bad luck can only account for so much. Like winning a footie match you train hard, and go out on the saturday and use what you learnt in training and apply it to the match and to keep yourself fit..the same thing occurs with training..something are just plain dumb bad luck, like falling over and hurting yourself directly before a match your meant to play in...some other things with the right training can lower the chances..i am not saying they can be avoided 100% i am however saying that the odds to get these injuries can be significantly be reduced if we use the right training method to avoid it..it seems strange that we get 3 in 1 season alone...and that our kid vaughany has suffered time and again with the same acl.
 
trueblues1985 said:
it could well be new training regimes? we have no doubt changed things over the years, athletes train differently to what they once did.
Vaughan has been suffering from this for about 4 seasons now

As for ACL being unavoidable 100% thats just silly.
There are training methods which reduce the chance to get this injury by quite a significant factor. And I should point out I am not talking about any other injury I am talking about ACL injuries..other injuries are in my eye anyways no where near as severe. for example a broken leg the player can be up and about in just 3 weeks with intensive treatment. Metatarsal is a different story, but imo it might take the player out for a long period but its not as threatening as ACL injuries.
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so you think they may have changed training regimes for the worse? doesn't seem very likely really, imo. maybe we've suffered these injuries despite doing the very things you suggest, which would indicate either bad luck or maybe the sort of training you refer to isn't as effective as you believe. it seems to me you are taking a small amount of information & by adding a large measure of speculation, leaping to a conclusion that maybe wholly incorrect. have you considered contacting the club with your concerns so as to give them the best chance to ensure the squad remain fit?
 
You should do a lot more research on your stuff man. Tearing of the ACL is extremely common among football players. The ACL is the most commonly injured knee ligament and is commonly damaged by athletes. The ACL is often torn during sudden dislocation, torsion, or hyperextension of the knee. Usually the injury occurs when someone tries to rapidly change direction with the leading leg out, twisting the knee. And you don't always need surgery. It depends on the extent of the tear and the only reason surgery is used by athletes is because it decreases the amount of time it takes the ACL to heal.

You can tear your ACL if you step wrong while you're walking. These things are preventable but you have to be extremely careful of where you step, land, etc. When your playing in a fast paced environment like all atheletes are it's hard to constantly be looking where you are landing. Stop trying to blame someone for the bad luck of our players. And what does Yak's Achilles injury and Cahill's foot injury have to do with this. Cahill's first came up with the collision with Cars and Yak's was because of an awkward landing after a challenge. If I remember correctly we were forced to send Cahill down to them by the Aussie team. We wanted to keep him at home to help with rehab, considering a long flight sitting on a plane does not help an injury.
 
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I don't think we should be blaming physios here. This is crazy. It's just terrible luck. This reminds me of the metatarsal issue a few years back when everyone seemed to be going down with it (by everyone I mean a few high profile players) and suddenly the football boots were not good enough. Once again, just bad luck.
 

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