New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

[bizzaro]

This thread makes me sad.


This week Spurs changed their stadium design.

Its now going to be 61,000 capacity.


Thats 21000 more than us every game.

 

[Tramps_mate]

This thread makes me sad.


This week Spurs changed their stadium design.

Its now going to be 61,000 capacity.


Thats 21000 more than us every game.

Why exactly does that matter?

They are in London with a 10 million population..

 

[blueboy1945]

Would have thought it was fairly obvious mate. At say £35 per ticket multiplied by 21000 multiplied by 19 minimum home games gives them an extra income of £13,965,000 per season.

 

[AndyC]

Would have thought it was fairly obvious mate. At say £35 per ticket multiplied by 21000 multiplied by 19 minimum home games gives them an extra income of £13,965,000 per season.

Without the add-ons of cup games, programme sales, merchandise...

 

[MickA]

Without the add-ons of cup games, programme sales, merchandise...

Plus anybody turning up for the odd game will be abe to see the whole of the pitch, be able to get a pint and won't develop back problems from crouching to see the action

 

[Stutheblue]

I grew up in a time when Everton were a part of the 'big 5'. Seen highs and lows, but we've always been a 'big' club in my eyes (and most peoples) until the the influx of sky cash and foreign ownership. First Chelsea and then City bypass us for obvious reasons, but we still hung around just behind the Champions league spots. Now with Spurs and West Ham on the cusp of new stadiums I fear we'll fall further behind. We're gonna be tagged with being a 'sleeping giant' like Newcastle and Sunderland, only without the stadium! Thats if we're not already. Its a crying shame the direction we're headed and I've never understood why nobody has bought us (despite the stadium issue) or why we don't price the club at a 'reasonable' value to bring about a sale. I'm not trying to open up all the same old arguments, I'm just disillusioned about the direction of the club and feel sorry for my teenage sons who love the club but aren't likely to experience what I have.

 

[bizzaro]

Why exactly does that matter?

They are in London with a 10 million population..

The North West of England has a population of 7 million.

The areas around Everton's traditional catchment around 3 million.

The point is obvious.

Spurs will soon make SIGNIFICANTLY MORE money than we will per game.

This will put them out of sight of us financially.

Whilst nothing happens.

 

[bizzaro]

Would have thought it was fairly obvious mate. At say £35 per ticket multiplied by 21000 multiplied by 19 minimum home games gives them an extra income of £13,965,000 per season.

Spurs lowest season ticket price. Is higher than Everton's highest.

Multiply this by another 21,000 and the writing is on the wall.

Pound for Pound we will not be able to punch hard enough to put them down.


In FFP terms.

 

[Jeff Jones]

I wouldn't call Newcastle and Sunderland sleeping giants, Stutheblue. In a coma, more like.

Having a history is OK, but ancient history doesn't count.

 

[Stutheblue]

I wouldn't call Newcastle and Sunderland sleeping giants, Stutheblue. In a coma, more like.

Having a history is OK, but ancient history doesn't count.

Ha ha, true true, but they have the stadiums, which is the comparison I was trying to make I suppose. Oh and Villa too (another good stadium).

 

[MickA]

Ha ha, true true, but they have the stadiums, which is the comparison I was trying to make I suppose. Oh and Villa too (another good stadium).

This is spot on. We expect to be competing at the very top (NSNO and all that jazz) but in reality it's the teams you mentioned that are our peers just now. Tottenham, as detailed above, will be in a different stratosphere financially soon. West Ham have mugged the taxpayer but that won't stop the Canary Wharf set buying the hospitality. Newcastle are a decent manager away from leaving us well behind, probably Villa too. Even Sunderland have bigger crowds (albeit their average ticket price is something like £18) and are better placed to beneft commercially if they turn things around on the pitch.

I'm expecting responses saying we've got it right on the pitch (matter of perception) but building a decent team and good infrastructure/commercial activity are not mutually exclusive. It shouldn't be one of the other it should be both.

When all is said and done the team is stagnating, the stadium is undergoing managed decline and our revenues are flatlining or reducing.

 

[Stutheblue]

This is spot on. We expect to be competing at the very top (NSNO and all that jazz) but in reality it's the teams you mentioned that are our peers just now. Tottenham, as detailed above, will be in a different stratosphere financially soon. West Ham have mugged the taxpayer but that won't stop the Canary Wharf set buying the hospitality. Newcastle are a decent manager away from leaving us well behind, probably Villa too. Even Sunderland have bigger crowds (albeit their average ticket price is something like £18) and are better placed to beneft commercially if they turn things around on the pitch.

I'm expecting responses saying we've got it right on the pitch (matter of perception) but building a decent team and good infrastructure/commercial activity are not mutually exclusive. It shouldn't be one of the other it should be both.

When all is said and done the team is stagnating, the stadium is undergoing managed decline and our revenues are flatlining or reducing.

Couldn't agree more. For the last few years we've had a good team. Not totally good enough to win a trophy, but not far away. Last season we lost some ground in that respect, and who knows this season as its very competitive. The point, as you allude to, is that the two (playing and commercial sides) go hand in hand. I fear we've missed a trick in these last 5 years or so in that we haven't capitalised on our standind in the league to bring about a sale/major investment. I mean, it wasn't long ago we were right behind the CL clubs, with some quality players, history and fan base etc etc. I fear we're missing (or have missed) the boat.

 

[PhilM]

This week Spurs changed their stadium design.

Its now going to be 61,000 capacity.

Their stadium looks bloody magnificent as well: larger capacity than The Emirates; huge hospitality options; massive single tiered stand (17k).

They've even integrated NFL facilities (movable pitch and extra dressing rooms) to increase revenue through a huge potential market.

While they may have some financial restraints in the first few years to help fund the stadium (like Arsenal), in the long term it's win-win for them.

Being in London certainly does help with regards to attracting fans and advertising, yet extra seats and hospitality can help anywhere.

 

[MickA]

Their stadium looks bloody magnificent as well: larger capacity than The Emirates; huge hospitality options; massive single tiered stand (17k).

They've even integrated NFL facilities (movable pitch and extra dressing rooms) to increase revenue through a huge potential market.

While they may have some financial restraints in the first few years to help fund the stadium (like Arsenal), in the long term it's win-win for them.

Being in London certainly does help with regards to attracting fans and advertising, yet extra seats and hospitality can help anywhere.

It shows not only ambition but vision too. Compare and contrast with our last two schemes....

DK - flat-pack next to a supermarket. Situated the greatest distance of any PL side from its population centre.

WHP - next to some shops and new community housing in a suburb further from Liverpool than GP (caveat that we know very little details)

I don't see anything in this boards track record that suggests they should be trusted with any stadium matters.

 

[PhilM]

It shows not only ambition but vision too. Compare and contrast with our last two schemes....

I entirely agree about Spurs showing of ambition and vision, however our own situation and their position are rather distant.

As I've mentioned on here before I am not (and was not) an enthusiastic advocate of the board, Kirkby project or the potential WHP.

However Spurs are in a much stronger position in a number of ways such as financially and potential growth of their fan base and attendances.

The fact is that they can afford to build a stadium in central London and are almost guaranteed the extra attendance to make it worthwhile.

On the other hand, we are neither unable to afford a stadium close to our population centre nor can guarantee a huge increase in attendances.

I'd love a stadium in or near to the centre of Liverpool, yet it's not a realistic prospect. There is neither the land or the finances to make it happen.

In our current state we must be realistic; if we are to get a stadium we must compromise somewhere to make it actuaally happen.

Be that either the location of the stadium, the features (design etc.) or selling out by working with other parties.

It's not ideal by any stretch of the imagination, but it may have to happen if a stadium is to occur. Otherwise it will not.