New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

[kev]

Id say it is as more than half of the games played there have sold out.

If we dont sell out in a 60k+ (which i dont think we would) then its clearly not the right size.

But this is the issue the club has - its hard to nail down a figure that everyone would be happy with. We cant go building a massive stadium for the sake of it being bigger - but i do think a lot of our fans are using it as a 'd*ck measuring' contest wanting it to be bigger than Liverpool etc.

No contest mate, they are by far the biggest d*cks

 

[MickA]

So Richard Knights of West Derby and John Whearty of Walton are after a full meeting to discuss the loan arrangement!
Knights I bet is a RS fan and would like to stop us but Whearty is worried about local businesses near GP failing, understandable. So no doubt he wants us to stay at GP but would he be agreeable to CPOs on Gwladys Street ans Bullens road for GP to be rebuilt, I think not. Everton moving to BMD will revitalise that area so can't have everything but should not Whearty be looking at GP to benefit the area?

Really fed up with the moaners about us moving a bit like Brexit, leavers and remoaners!

Knights isn't a red and I don't get why you're so defensive of people questionning the deal. If there's nothing to hide there's nothing to worry about.

It is right this deal gets full scrutiny and to be honest we should welcome these queries as it allows us to make the message more transparant and understood.

 

[CrustySack]

Lads, we are getting a 50K+ stadium on the banks of the river mersey. Just let that reality sink in again for a moment.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Id say it is as more than half of the games played there have sold out.

If we dont sell out in a 60k+ (which i dont think we would) then its clearly not the right size.

But this is the issue the club has - its hard to nail down a figure that everyone would be happy with. We cant go building a massive stadium for the sake of it being bigger - but i do think a lot of our fans are using it as a 'd*ck measuring' contest wanting it to be bigger than Liverpool etc.

You can see it is not clear cut when all we can do is pull figures out of a hat. We would sell out a 60k AT LEAST 6/7 times imho so if we say 7 at 60, then a further 4 at just below capacity 58k or so, 5 at 55k and 4 between 50k and 55k, all of which I don't think is unreasonable, what is the right capacity then?

Some games sell themselves, some would need competitive pricing but why go for a capacity that you know you can easily fill and even get a good percentage more at least on a third of games played there. Some people question why people like me advocate having a 60k stadium but in a nutshell with the extra hospitality seating on a 55k there is likely going to be only 10k more seats than Goodison, if all the well to do blues come in and buy season tickets then all you end up is an aging crowd with a diminishing atmosphere. We need fresh blood to be able to go to the match and to do that you need to be able to have tickets available and not the ones that cost 100% more on secondary sites. I would much rather 1 or 2 thousand below capacity than one that is consistently full and is hard to get tickets for.

By settling on easily attainable targets all we are doing is keeping up our modus operandi of the last 30 years falling further behind clubs that are pushing to be better.

 

[RobSpurs]

Spurs supporters were not asked thier view on any part of the new stadium being built but I'm sure the single stand option was put forward to the club as something the fans would want (have no idea who by but I'm glad that opinion was listened to.)

Hmm, interesting there was no consultation, do spurs fans not like that? I'm sure it's not as big a deal as the stadium designed is alright but there would have been uproar of it turned out to be crap with no fan consultation.

To clarify, the idea of a single tier stand came after fan feedback on the original KSS design (possibly through the Trust?). The club, to their credit, then asked KSS to remodel their design based directly on this feedback. So it went from this in 2008 to this in 2009. KSS were later dropped and we ended up with a much superior Populous design with a much bigger single tier end, better integrated.

It's also not true to say there was no consultation. The consultation was never as direct as what EFC and Meis are doing (and direct questions like "what do you want the capacity to be?" were never asked). But there were surveys about the stadium sent out over the years asking about different options for what should be in the stadium, how likely you were to buy a ticket if xyz, room for other comments etc. I'm sure a lot of that fed into what Populous came up with, even if we don't know how (as far as I know results were never published).

I really like how engaged Meis is being about design and aesthetics for BMD, and even if it looks like he's managing expectations a bit (and sometimes comes across as a bit fake), what he's doing is still going the extra mile. I am a little surprised Everton are asking questions like "what do you want the capacity to be?" though. Surely that's something for them to work out rather than getting fans to pluck numbers from the air. But getting fans engaged with the actual design is pretty impressive. Hopefully it all proves worth it in the end.

 

[Hickson9]

Lads, we are getting a 50K+ stadium on the banks of the river mersey. Just let that reality sink in again for a moment.

That's pretty great really.

It's just the little bit of extra potential that could be lost!

I've thought about it a lot and anything over 55K I would be pretty damn chuffed with.

Though if the stadium design is insanely good, then maybe low 50s would be acceptable...

 

[Sir Alan]

What size do you have to be to hold Europa league finals?

As the club of first wouldn’t it be superb for us to hold the first one in Liverpool?

 

[Hickson9]

What size do you have to be to hold Europa league finals?

As the club of first wouldn’t it be superb for us to hold the first one in Liverpool?

I think 50K has been the guideline previously off the top of my head, though I've just done a little research and for the 2020 Europa League final the two stadiums in contention have a capacity of 43615 and 50035.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_UEFA_Europa_League_Final

 

[jaybx1878]

The Reds played Seville in Basle which only holds 38000

 

[GwladysBlue]

Knowing our luck, we’d host the Europa League final and Liverpool would win it in our stadium.

 

[davek]

Podcast with Anderson. Apologies if already posted.

https://www.theblueroomefc.com/2018/03/everton-business-matters-episode-23-mayor-joe-anderson/

 

[jayonenote]

Podcast with Anderson. Apologies if already posted.

https://www.theblueroomefc.com/2018/03/everton-business-matters-episode-23-mayor-joe-anderson/

Did I hear it right? LCC will be acting as Lender NOT Guarantor?
He says Council would offer a lower rate of lending

 

[GwladysBlue]

Podcast with Anderson. Apologies if already posted.

https://www.theblueroomefc.com/2018/03/everton-business-matters-episode-23-mayor-joe-anderson/

Thankfully he’s pushing the 60,000 agenda, too.

I do wonder if the £7m p/a will rise with inflation over the 25-year period.

 

[davek]

Did I hear it right? LCC will be acting as Lender NOT Guarantor?
He says Council would offer a lower rate of lending

Only just started listening mate. All I've heard so far from Anderson is I did this, I did that, and I did this other thing!

 

[davek]

Thankfully he’s pushing the 60,000 agenda, too.

I do wonder if the £7m p/a will rise with inflation over the 25-year period.

What minute of the podcast is that?