New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

[roydo]

Lived In Shropshire myself mate for a while after moving from Liverpool, a place called Baschurch in Shrewsbury.

Didnt get to know the place that much. We lived in a tiny village called Forton, near Newport, while Dad worked in Wem. Couldnt have been more than 18 months. But made friends with 2 sisters who are still mates all these years later. Loooooong story!

Then me and our kid pitched up at junior school in Portishead with scouse, to them, accents. Stayed here pretty much since.

 

[MickA]

People worried about Labour CLP members and council meetings etc....frankly the more discussion given to this the greater the transparancy and understanding. And it's also absolutely right that that the deal is ratified formally by LCC.

If there's nothing to hide there's nothing to fear, not even bizarre RS delay conspiracy theories.

The deal will be scrutinised, it will be voted through and buckets will be lowered.

 

[H.H.]

Would you agree Rob that 5-8k of that 68k are people going to a game because its at Wembley,the home of football

I know you asked this question to Rob but in my opinion, no, not many.
Before a game our group likes to stay in the pub as long as possible and when walking up Wembley Way more often than not we see people walking away from the stadium as they can't get in. This is because tickets ain't sold on the gate and (but not the case for games against the less glamorous teams) a lot of games you have to have been a signed up to the ticket office website X amount of weeks before a game to be able to buy a ticket for the game you wanna see. This is done to stop visiting fans trying to buy a ticket when's thier team has sold out thier 3,000 allocation.
Our first (or second) home game of the season was against Chelsea and even a lot of Spurs supporters didn't realise the above criteria and was hy the crowd for that game was so low.
Not saying that there isn't tourists but the amount wouldn't be as high as you have suggested (but I wish there was cos the money from an extra 8,000 people every game would help as we are gonna need every pound we can get to help pay for the new stadium and also help towards I think the £18 million we agreed to pay Wembley for the season.)

On another note, the above figure shows how much of a great deal West Ham got paying only £2.5 million a season to rent (the more crap) Olympic Stadium and why they can offer such cheap seats to entice a new generation of supporters.

 

[blueblue]

I know you asked this question to Rob but in my opinion, no, not many.
Before a game our group likes to stay in the pub as long as possible and when walking up Wembley Way more often than not we see people walking away from the stadium as they can't get in. This is because tickets ain't sold on the gate and (but not the case for games against the less glamorous teams) a lot of games you have to have been a signed up to the ticket office website X amount of weeks before a game to be able to buy a ticket for the game you wanna see. This is done to stop visiting fans trying to buy a ticket when's thier team has sold out thier 3,000 allocation.
Our first (or second) home game of the season was against Chelsea and even a lot of Spurs supporters didn't realise the above criteria and was hy the crowd for that game was so low.
Not saying that there isn't tourists but the amount wouldn't be as high as you have suggested (but I wish there was cos the money from an extra 8,000 people every game would help as we are gonna need every pound we can get to help pay for the new stadium and also help towards I think the £18 million we agreed to pay Wembley for the season.)

On another note, the above figure shows how much of a great deal West Ham got paying only £2.5 million a season to rent (the more crap) Olympic Stadium and why they can offer such cheap seats to entice a new generation of supporters.

It will be by far the nicest stadium in the championship.

 

[Gardocki]

I think the West Ham situation could get a lot worse for them. Many hate the experience, and have already stopped going. The less people that go, the worse it will get and it could snowball.

It happened with Juventus at the Stadio Delle Alpi. The fans hated the ground and they ended up with an amazing team playing in an unsuitable stadium that was 1/4 full. If it can happen to Juventus, it can certainly happen to West Ham. Worth noting that the reason they went for 42,000 capacity in the rebuild was that they realised the importance of a full stadium every week.

 

[DrEFC]

I think the West Ham situation could get a lot worse for them. Many hate the experience, and have already stopped going. The less people that go, the worse it will get and it could snowball.

It happened with Juventus at the Stadio Delle Alpi. The fans hated the ground and they ended up with an amazing team playing in an unsuitable stadium that was 1/4 full. If it can happen to Juventus, it can certainly happen to West Ham. Worth noting that the reason they went for 42,000 capacity in the rebuild was that they realised the importance of a full stadium every week.

Don't let the board hear that.

 

[TraffordBlue]

I think the West Ham situation could get a lot worse for them. Many hate the experience, and have already stopped going. The less people that go, the worse it will get and it could snowball.

It happened with Juventus at the Stadio Delle Alpi. The fans hated the ground and they ended up with an amazing team playing in an unsuitable stadium that was 1/4 full. If it can happen to Juventus, it can certainly happen to West Ham. Worth noting that the reason they went for 42,000 capacity in the rebuild was that they realised the importance of a full stadium every week.

The London factor helps West Ham though with tourists that Juventus wouldn't get being based in Turin.

But I see your point. The tourists won't help West Ham too much, especially if they get relegated, and it certainly won't help the atmosphere.

 

[MickA]

The London factor helps West Ham though with tourists that Juventus wouldn't get being based in Turin.

But I see your point. The tourists won't help West Ham too much, especially if they get relegated, and it certainly won't help the atmosphere.

Literally everything was/is wrong with the WHU situation.

What can we learn from them? Pretty much only how to better sell season tickets initially so groups of people literally transpose into the equivalent part of the new stadium if they want to.

Their model is incomparable in every other way. They've moved away from their home, we're moving more central. They can't customise something they don't own. Plus the stadium is always going to be woefully inadequate for football. It wasn't designed for it and they can't retrofit it with smart technology so they're just going to have to put up with it.

 

[RobSpurs]

Worth noting that the reason they went for 42,000 capacity in the rebuild was that they realised the importance of a full stadium every week.

Yeah, be careful using Juventus as an example though. It's looking increasingly likely - after being bitten by the Delle Alpi* - that they went too far in the other direction, and now wish they'd built bigger than 41k. Here's their chairman a year ago...

“Touting? We were tripped up by having to manage a stadium that is too small for us, which is sold out every weekend,”
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-i...s-small-stadium-for-ticket-woes-idUKKCN18E2HV

This will be even more true when rival clubs start moving into 50k+ stadiums (including Roma's, of course being designed by Mr Meis). Is it infinitely better than what they had before? Yep. Have they limited themselves too much? Almost certainly. At the moment they're ahead of the game in Italy so it doesn't matter too much they've limited themselves, but that might not be the case forever.

* he only cost 5 mill, he's better than Ozil...no, wait...

 

[toffeejack]

Let's be honest at least.
If it were the other way around and Liverpool were looking at the opportunity that we are currently looking at we would take help from the devil himself to make it stop.
This new stadium changes everything... but it will take time, it won't happen overnight.
The Liverpool supporters looking at current teams/ current managers are missing the point.
This is a gradual change rather than a dramatic one. Visitors to the city will go to the new stadium on the docks , pictures going around the world will be of the new football ground in Liverpool... hopefully iconic pictures.

The opportunity to earn extra money and to compete with our former near neighbours is an obvious bonus.

This will be happening long after Allyrdyce/Klopp/Salah/Pickford . It is not about a team or a manager.
It is about the very fabric of a club changing and the potential it has changing with it.

This will go on for ten-twenty-thirty years.

This is why it is so important and so important that it is right.

This is why Liverpool supporters are worried....rightly so..hopefully

Yep ... But none of their fanbase is local so it doesn't benefit them one iota. We all know they will have hundreds of fans using fake postcodes pretending to be local signing petitions from the great depths of Norway because that's how sad their life is.

All their views are based on a football team,its reared its head more than ever in the last few months.

 

[joey_macmo]

I think the West Ham situation could get a lot worse for them. Many hate the experience, and have already stopped going. The less people that go, the worse it will get and it could snowball.

It happened with Juventus at the Stadio Delle Alpi. The fans hated the ground and they ended up with an amazing team playing in an unsuitable stadium that was 1/4 full. If it can happen to Juventus, it can certainly happen to West Ham. Worth noting that the reason they went for 42,000 capacity in the rebuild was that they realised the importance of a full stadium every week.

They should have gone for a lower capacity then seeing as their average attendance is lower than ours at 38k

Its seems to be an often repeated myth that Juve purposely restricted attendance, they haven't come close to averaging over 40k since they moved there.

 

[Gardocki]

Yeah, be careful using Juventus as an example though. It's looking increasingly likely - after being bitten by the Delle Alpi* - that they went too far in the other direction, and now wish they'd built bigger than 41k. Here's their chairman a year ago...

“Touting? We were tripped up by having to manage a stadium that is too small for us, which is sold out every weekend,”
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-i...s-small-stadium-for-ticket-woes-idUKKCN18E2HV

This will be even more true when rival clubs start moving into 50k+ stadiums (including Roma's, of course being designed by Mr Meis). Is it infinitely better than what they had before? Yep. Have they limited themselves too much? Almost certainly. At the moment they're ahead of the game in Italy so it doesn't matter too much they've limited themselves, but that might not be the case forever.

* he only cost 5 mill, he's better than Ozil...no, wait...

I completely agree they went too small, but the point was that they realised the importance of a full stadium when the were playing in front of empty seats. I'd much rather Everton had a full (or nearly full) 55,000 seat stadium than a 65,000 stadium with 8,000 + empty seats most weeks. Some people will disagree with me, which is perfectly fine.

 

[RobSpurs]

Its seems to be an often repeated myth that Juve purposely restricted attendance, they haven't come close to averaging over 40k since they moved there.

This might show the danger of relying the mean average, as just one or two bad crowds can drag that average down. Their median attendance this season in the league is c40k.

 

[Ste__R]

I think the stadium should be 60,000+

Be great for future planning if 5,000 of those tickets were given to local schools.

 

[joey_macmo]

This might show the danger of relying the mean average, as just one or two bad crowds can drag that average down. Their median attendance this season in the league is c40k.

Their tickets for Milan at the weekend only sold out a few days ago after going to general sale.

That’s one of their biggest games of the season. They’re aren’t turning away tons of fans like people would have you believe.