New Everton Stadium Discussion

[Amw79]

Liverpool city council mate. It's the planning application. But no documents as yet. Anyone can see it. 24 March 2020 is the deadline for the further consultations.

nice one. Was wondering if the PDFs were there yet. Lot of reading to get through when they’re available.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Proper excited for this - hope its done for 2023 but got a feeling thats a bit hopeful and it'll likely be 4 years to build properly/factoring any delays.

Just hope we have a European quality team going into it.

 

[SpongeBob brown shoes]

Where’s that from mate?

Online Standard Details

northgate.liverpool.gov.uk

 

[GwladysPhil]

Haven't seen anything reported, that's all. I think it was reported when we were tendering and again when we had a shortlist. Maybe I've missed something but I don't think I've read anything yet for BMD.

And setting a serious obstacle on fire.

 

[TommyDavo]

I think it'd be fair to say that they've got a pretty good idea who the main contractor will be mate.

Chances are, they'll already be a short list of two or three, with one of them a firm favourite with Chong. Chong came to the club from Laing in 2016 - which obviously could just be a coincidence ( that industry is specialised, so people tend to move round it from one company to another ), but you'd imagine that Laing will be favourites to get the contract with the bookies.

I know that Laings have been on site doing the prelim studies for a while now. Their directors are also very confident about it going ahead and getting the job.

 

[mrb85]

The scary part is how the cost of Stadiums has skyrocketed. Back in 2008 it was going to cost us £78m for a 50.4k Stadium. Now we are looking at 8 times that.

The construction companies rip the clubs another one when it comes to new stadia. I can't understand why a winning bid is not stuck with rather than costs then allowed to shoot up at no impact on the builder.

 

[Catfish Blues]

I know that Laings have been on site doing the prelim studies for a while now. Their directors are also very confident about it going ahead and getting the job.

Cheers mate, I knew Laings were in the driving seat a little while ago, but it's not really my area ( technically rather than geographically ) so wasn't sure what the current situation was.

 

[LEONARD]

From my office window, lucky enough to be able to see BMD.

Can now imagine it all lit up for a night game.

Truly breathtaking if it all happens.

 

[Catfish Blues]

The construction companies rip the clubs another one when it comes to new stadia. I can't understand why a winning bid is not stuck with rather than costs then allowed to shoot up at no impact on the builder.

That's down to the people issuing the contract. Typically, a contract will be "Cost Plus" or some variation of that, whereby the constructor gets paid the actual costs of the build, plus an agreed profit on top of that. Normally there'll be an agreed ceiling on the overall cost so the club would know the max value of the contract, but it would normally come in below that.

If the club wanted Fixed Price then, to start with, the construction company will be top heavy on all their estimates to try and make sure they turn a profit. If it comes in 20% below that, then they make a stinking profit and the club have overpaid. If, as the project goes on, it looks like it's not going to make money, then the constructors will be looking to cut costs to the bone, so if there's any weaknesses in the contract, they'll exploit them.

I'm not in construction, and we're, by many orders of magnitude, smaller fry than the likes of Laing, but with customers we've built a relationship over the years, we always work on a Cost Plus basis

 

[peteblue]

I want it built for my 70th...I’m looking forward to staying at the Titanic just down the road and having the most fantastic day.....Don‘t let me down blues, don’t let me down......

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Application Details
Application Number19F/3253
Site AddressBramley Moore Dock Regent Road Liverpool
Application TypeFull Planning Permission
Development Typenew building/structure(s)
ProposalApplication for Full Planning Permission in accordance with submitted drawings for the demolition of existing buildings/structures on site (listed in the schedule); remediation works; foundation/piling works; infill of the Bramley-Moore Dock, alteration to dock walls and dock isolation works with vehicular and pedestrian links above; and other associated engineering works to accommodate the development of a stadium (Use Class D2) predominantly for football use with the ability to host other events with ancillary offices (Use Class B1a); Club Shop and retail concessions (internal and external to the stadium) (Use Class A1); exhibition and conference facilities (Use Class D1); food and drink concessions (internal and external to the stadium) (Use Classes A3 / A4 / A5); betting shop concessions (Sui Generis); and associated infrastructure including: electric substation, creation of a water channel, outside broadcast compound, photo-voltaic canopy, storage areas/compound, security booth, external concourse / fan zone including performance stage, vehicular and pedestrian access and circulation areas, hard and soft landscaping (including canopies, lighting, wind mitigation structures, public art and boundary treatments), cycle parking structures and vehicle parking (external at grade and multi-storey parking) and change of use of the Hydraulic Tower structure to an exhibition / cultural centre (Use Class D1) with ancillary food and drink concession (Use Class A3).

Interesting that.

“photo-voltaic canopy”. Sounds like the roof will be covered in solar panels. Nice to see them making moves towards sustainability

 

[Toffeelover]

But what if he had won and the rest of the country got to enjoy the level of spending on public transport that London has taken to expect for decades? We might have had a new train station next to BMD newly reopened lines and stations all over the city region and a regulated bus service taking fans to and from the stadium, amongst other things.

if no stadium what is the point,but leave it that Mate.

 

[Toffeelover]

nice one. Was wondering if the PDFs were there yet. Lot of reading to get through when they’re available.

Bet will not be looked at until after new years day if then.

 

[jayonenote]

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i don’t think it’ll be that quick, it’s going to take donkeys to get it up on the planning portal, do the rounds of the various council departments for feedback etc (you’ve got all environmental aspects and environmental health for food outlets etc). Then it needs to go to committee, you’ll definitely have complaints lodged from the normal activists (green, transport, heritage etc).

if no stadium what is the point,but leave it that Mate.

Exactly. I had to pass through Manchester yesterday on public transport. The Tram System was impressive which brought home a little how far this city is behind some other parts of the country. For the regeneration of this specific area there needs to be an improvement in clean public transport. Compare nearest station stops of BMD and Arsenal Tottenham Newcastle Man City.

 

[Magus]

Interesting that.

“photo-voltaic canopy”. Sounds like the roof will be covered in solar panels. Nice to see them making moves towards sustainability

It looks like this is over the original car park on the riverside, but as you say it's good to see them including this sort of feature.