New Everton Owners: The Friedkin Group

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I just genuinely don't see what he offers us and not one single person has made a decent case for him either, he is yesterdays news imo.

Analysing splits in the fan base when it comes to managers i just see - as people forming opinions on what they personally value in a manager, it’s very evident in the circular steaming mess that is the non sensical Dyche thread on either side of a divide.

Some people want to go to the game, be entertained, feel like football is progressive, but don’t really care or want to consider anything on top of that.

Others look at more 360. They look at things like managing through limits, budgets, building through adversity etc. These people will sacrifice style for if it’s god for the overall life blood of the club.

The natural tension is between the two.

Dyche is a case point, saved us from a hopeless cause, managed through massively adverse circumstances last year, doing it all with no governance support, having to have a high - net transfer spend. Possibly making the club 100s of millions through the process.

However - some just want to stylistically play nice football, be entertained and be linked to players and feel we are progressing - so want him out.

As above that’s the tension.

Equally when you apply to Moyes, he built this club, from relegation Candidates, to CL, to a European club almost every year. Making the club 100s of millions in recruitment, via his success but also recruitment.

Then, people got bored of the style, felt there was a ceiling, whether he hit it or whether he hit it with what we could provide - is debatable.

But again that’s the tension.

Ultimately as a fan base we are very transparent.

So the question is what does the club need and what competences does the manager need to meet those needs. For me the club needs to be recovered - priority one - the balance sheet needs to be fixed, anyone who think TFG is coming in and suddenly all our problems financially are gone, is fooling themselves. We need someone with the competency Moyes had to recover the club again.

Stylistically will it be different - probably not, so we are back to that natural tension.

That tension will always exist in the fan base. My own take, is I’d have Moyes back in the morning, I don’t view as going back. I’m looking at competency, who is available with the competency in the league, who can recover a club and get into Europe in limits, it’s him.

You mention, him as if he is someone from a time passed, he just recovered WHU and is the last PL manager outside the cartel clubs to go and win a trophy - that’s in the last two years.

I really don’t understand, what doesn’t recommend him for the job, he’s actually exactly what the club needs - whether we go that route or not - if your interviewing on competency he’s ticking a hell of a lot of boxes.

But as I say above, the 360 view Vs Stylistic views will always dictate the tension in the fan base.

We generally crave something different here from the style of the last manager - we’re fairly predictable. So be interesting to see what we do. Welcome back Roberto.
 
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Analysing splits in the fan base when it comes to managers i just see - as people forming opinions on what they personally value in a manager, it’s very evident in the circular steaming mess that is the non sensical Dyche thread on either side of a divide.

Some people want to go to the game, be entertained, feel like football is progressive, but don’t really care or want to consider anything on top of that.

Others look at more 360. They look at things like managing through limits, budgets, building through adversity etc. These people will sacrifice style for if it’s god for the overall life blood of the club.

The natural tension is between the two.

Dyche is a case point, saved us from a hopeless cause, managed through massively adverse circumstances last year, doing it all with no governance support, having to have a high - net transfer spend. Possibly making the club 100s of millions through the process.

However - some just want to stylistically play nice football, be entertained and be linked to players and feel we are progressing - so want him out.

As above that’s the tension.

Equally when you apply to Moyes, he built this club, from relegation Candidates, to CL, to a European club almost every year. Making the club 100s of millions in recruitment, via his success but also recruitment.

Then, people got bored of the style, felt there was a ceiling, whether he hit it or whether he hit it with what we could provide - is debatable.

But again that’s the tension.

Ultimately as a fan base we are very transparent.

So the question is what does the club need and what competences does the manager need to meet those needs. For me the club needs to be recovered - priority one - the balance sheet needs to be fixed, anyone who think TFG is coming in and suddenly all our problems financially are gone, is fooling themselves. We need someone with the competency Moyes had to recover the club again.

Stylistically will it be different - probably not, so we are back to that natural tension.

That tension will always exist in the fan base. My own take, is I’d have Moyes back in the morning, I don’t view as going back. I’m looking at competency, who is available with the competency in the league, who can recover a club and get into Europe in limits, it’s him.

You mention, him as if he is someone from a time passed, he just recovered WHU and is the last PL manager outside the cartel clubs to go and win a trophy - that’s in the last two years.

I really don’t understand, what doesn’t recommend him for the job, he’s actually exactly what the club needs - whether we go that route or not - if your interviewing on competency he’s ticking a hell of a lot of boxes.

But as I say above, the 360 view Vs Stylistic views will always dictate the tension in the fan base.

We generally crave something different here from the style of the last manager - we’re fairly predictable. So be interesting to see what we do. Welcome back Roberto.
Spinning the truth for a change.
 

Analysing splits in the fan base when it comes to managers i just see - as people forming opinions on what they personally value in a manager, it’s very evident in the circular steaming mess that is the non sensical Dyche thread on either side of a divide.

Some people want to go to the game, be entertained, feel like football is progressive, but don’t really care or want to consider anything on top of that.

Others look at more 360. They look at things like managing through limits, budgets, building through adversity etc. These people will sacrifice style for if it’s god for the overall life blood of the club.

The natural tension is between the two.

Dyche is a case point, saved us from a hopeless cause, managed through massively adverse circumstances last year, doing it all with no governance support, having to have a high - net transfer spend. Possibly making the club 100s of millions through the process.

However - some just want to stylistically play nice football, be entertained and be linked to players and feel we are progressing - so want him out.

As above that’s the tension.

Equally when you apply to Moyes, he built this club, from relegation Candidates, to CL, to a European club almost every year. Making the club 100s of millions in recruitment, via his success but also recruitment.

Then, people got bored of the style, felt there was a ceiling, whether he hit it or whether he hit it with what we could provide - is debatable.

But again that’s the tension.

Ultimately as a fan base we are very transparent.

So the question is what does the club need and what competences does the manager need to meet those needs. For me the club needs to be recovered - priority one - the balance sheet needs to be fixed, anyone who think TFG is coming in and suddenly all our problems financially are gone, is fooling themselves. We need someone with the competency Moyes had to recover the club again.

Stylistically will it be different - probably not, so we are back to that natural tension.

That tension will always exist in the fan base. My own take, is I’d have Moyes back in the morning, I don’t view as going back. I’m looking at competency, who is available with the competency in the league, who can recover a club and get into Europe in limits, it’s him.

You mention, him as if he is someone from a time passed, he just recovered WHU and is the last PL manager outside the cartel clubs to go and win a trophy - that’s in the last two years.

I really don’t understand, what doesn’t recommend him for the job, he’s actually exactly what the club needs - whether we go that route or not - if your interviewing on competency he’s ticking a hell of a lot of boxes.

But as I say above, the 360 view Vs Stylistic views will always dictate the tension in the fan base.

We generally crave something different here from the style of the last manager - we’re fairly predictable. So be interesting to see what we do. Welcome back Roberto.
As I said, I'm still waiting to see a decent argument for him. Fact is that he just isn't what I want from our next manager, I want a motivator, someone who the players want to play for each week and they are buzzing from, Someone who is a top tactician who regardless of squad options and opponent can set us up to compete week in week with a proper game plan. That's not Moyes imo.
 
As I said, I'm still waiting to see a decent argument for him. Fact is that he just isn't what I want from our next manager, I want a motivator, someone who the players want to play for each week and they are buzzing from, Someone who is a top tactician who regardless of squad options and opponent can set us up to compete week in week with a proper game plan. That's not Moyes imo.

That’s the thing with Moyes, he makes his own argument, I just stated facts, it wasn’t difficult.

It’s like I say everyone wants something different - so that natural tension will exist.

To be honest I’m open minded.

I think if the owners are putting cash in they entitled to have a shot.

If I was putting my money in, I’d like a lot of what Moyes would do, to add value to my investment.

I wonder how much he made Bill as owner…..not to speak ill etc.
 
That’s the thing with Moyes, he makes his own argument, I just stated facts, it wasn’t difficult.

It’s like I say everyone wants something different.

To be honest I’m open minded.

I think if the owners are putting cash in they entitled to have a shot.

If I was putting my money in, I’d like of what Moyes would do, to add value to my investment.

I wonder how much he made Bill as owner…..not to speak ill etc.
Each to their own and you clearly rate him but he isn't someone I want here.
 

The counter to that though mate, is he earned the club 240 mill baseline keeping it in the division over the last two seasons through pretty hopeless and adverse circumstances and conditions. One thing is done and objective, the other is projected and subjective.

This season is still live, your are making presumptions on a finishing position when we are less then 30 mins into a game.
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