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manxtoffee said:
Article implies that Moyes sh¡ts in his pants on the big occasions when really he should be one taking the initiative.
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Alot of evidence for it.

Sporting Lisbon away
Fiorentina away
Liege away
Villareal away
failure to beat any of the traditional top 4 away from home in his time at the club
 

Slavan said:
Alot of evidence for it.

Sporting Lisbon away
Fiorentina away
Liege away
Villareal away
failure to beat any of the traditional top 4 away from home in his time at the club
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If there was one part of Moyes' time here that frustrates me it's these big games in Europe. We're pretty much out every time we play a decent team truth be told. I hate the way we try and immitate a patient continental game and the opposition easily our passes us. Something to work on maybe. If we get back in Europe like.
 
chicoazul said:
If there was one part of Moyes' time here that frustrates me it's these big games in Europe. We're pretty much out every time we play a decent team truth be told. I hate the way we try and immitate a patient continental game and the opposition easily our passes us. Something to work on maybe. If we get back in Europe like.
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We didn't do that against Villarreal though
 
I take it you agree with the journo's comments that moyes would go Liverpool and that villa are a bigger club than us too...

Or is just the lazy stuff about moyes u happen to agree with!?!?

Load of bull.. That article..
 

A lot of rubbish and some bad historical revisionism in that article.

"In the final against Chelsea circumstances could not have been more favourable". Except we were without Jagielka, Arteta and Yakubu and they weren't without Drogba, Lampard and Terry.

Suggesting the Villa job is bigger than Everton. Suggesting he should have been in contention for the job at the tin mine. Bigging up Rogers and Lambert and Martinez over him after half a good season at Swansea and Norwich respectively and Wigan's great escape, despite them being the worst team in the division by some way for most of the season, and the fact Moyes showed Rogers' Swansea up to be a case of the Emperor's new clothes quite utterly.

There are plenty of sticks to beat Moyes with, but that piece didn't really nail any of them. Poor journalism.
 
"Moyes has stalled, never quite creating a team that made an emotional impression on the neutral...his teams have not told us with enough force what he stands for. They don't make the heart sing....Moyes is associated with maintenance".

"The big occasion defines and separates. In both semi and final Moyes revealed a defensive reflex that ultimately proved Everton's undoing. Not only did they fail, they failed to inspire in defeat. Harsh as it sounds, that is perhaps why, in this period of management opportunity, Moyes is going nowhere."


At last, someone half gets it. If he'd just turned his attention to the strategic role Moyes plays at Goodison in terms of preserving boadroom power that would have been a perfect critique.
 
Blue 1 said:
A lot of rubbish and some bad historical revisionism in that article.

"In the final against Chelsea circumstances could not have been more favourable". Except we were without Jagielka, Arteta and Yakubu and they weren't without Drogba, Lampard and Terry.

Suggesting the Villa job is bigger than Everton. Suggesting he should have been in contention for the job at the tin mine. Bigging up Rogers and Lambert and Martinez over him after half a good season at Swansea and Norwich respectively and Wigan's great escape, despite them being the worst team in the division by some way for most of the season.

There are plenty of sticks to beat Moyes with, but that piece didn't really nail any of them. Poor journalism.
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It highlighted he's a cautious manager when boldness of thought and action are what's desired by employers of other clubs.

That was the main point of the article and I reckon it made that point well.
 

I thought somebody in the press had finally got to an uncomfortable truth about DM- but it all fell apart quite quickly. Anybody mildly interested in football would know Moyes (or any long term EFC manager) wouldn't go near the s**te job- so therefore wouldn't be asked. Villa FFS? I would also argue that the general praise of Rodgers, Martinez and Lambert's style of play has been a little condescending- would anybody comment if these teams weren't either freshly promoted or forever battling relegation? When Everton are fully functional, they play fast and exciting football- a great passing and attacking game. If Kevin Garside knows fook all about the game, he shouldn't get paid to write about it.
 
Article is spot on.. The FA Cup games were a joke, as soon as we took the lead against Chelsea/****e (dustbin fcuk up aside) we just sat back. Moyes is tactically inept, He has no idea how to capitalize on a lead..
 
davek said:
It highlighted he's a cautious manager when boldness of thought and action are what's desired by employers of other clubs.

That was the main point of the article and I reckon it made that point well.
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If that's the main point I suppose I agree really, just don't agree with how the fella made it, and think he used bad examples and some silly revisionism as illustration, some of which was quite condescending towards the club.
 
Some of the answers show how poor peoples judgement is.

Moyes hasn't been targeted by the so called top vacancies, it is an indisputable fact and given the myth lazily promoting his prowess in curing cripples, turning water into wine and other miracles the question must be asked - WHY?

City turned to Mancini, Chelsea have just gone for the ex WBA manager and Spurs aren't going to touch Moyes - WHY?

Answers on a postcode to "fight against ****e survival football" c/o EFC.
 
nigelcoyb said:
Some of the answers show how poor peoples judgement is.

Moyes hasn't been targeted by the so called top vacancies, it is an indisputable fact and given the myth lazily promoting his prowess in curing cripples, turning water into wine and other miracles the question must be asked - WHY?

City turned to Mancini, Chelsea have just gone for the ex WBA manager and Spurs aren't going to touch Moyes - WHY?

Answers on a postcode to "fight against ****e survival football" c/o EFC.
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The answer has to be that he's had security for 10 years at Everton and failed to build any really inspiring team, or - outside of the 4th spot in 2005 - achieved anything resembling success with the squads he's been given ample time to build; that he's already on an elite manager's wage, which would put off a potential suitor as he'd want a long contract to make the offer attractive on a financial level; that he's got zero Euro pedigree (worse, in fact: he's got a dog of a record in Europe) and that's another huge consideration.
 

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