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Exactly this.
But I think with the new management regime and football structure in place, coupled with the supposed new riches we have, there will be significant number of purchases over the next 12 months or so pushing further down the youth.
As important as getting good players in is letting go off our poor players.
Someone above remarked Davies was as good as Cleverley; Davies is 17/18 and Cleverley is a seasoned pro. Which one is likely to improve more and at a quicker rate?
I genuinely like the look of Davies so I'm not knocking him, but the opinions you're talking about aren't uncommon. There will have been people who said Peter Clarke looked better in his first team outings than David Weir did, or that Baxter looked more dangerous than pienaar. On the basis of 180 minutes they might have been right, but long term they couldn't have been more wrong.
Not much of an argument is it, some people may have said something about some younger players sometime in the past!
Anyway I don't recall someone in Unsworth's position saying what he said at the end of last season:
"That will be the skill of the manager: can he blend top established players with a new generation of unbelievable talent? It doesn't matter how old you are, if you watch that performance, you know that Kieran, Tom, Jonjoe and Matty are here to stay and basically you build a team around that . . . I think it's a goldmine, not just one or two, we have got an abundance of top quality."
Eggsyblueskin
Player Valuation: £40m
For all the hope we put in our youth very few will make the step up required . Most players who become successful performers from the u23s will be bought in at 17 or 18 after proving themselves playing first team football for lower league clubs. It is no surprise that by far and away our best prospect ,Holgate, came to us with first team experience under his belt. Clubs understand this and are desperately trying to make the U23 league more competitive. It is also why loaning players out is the preferred pathway at the moment.
The romantic notion that academy players will ,if successful, prove more loyal has long ago been disproved and they are as susceptible to the lure of filthy lucre and shiny pots as any bought in player.
You don't throw kids into a struggling team ,there is very little forgiveness or patience in the PL. Preferably you ease them into sides performing reasonably well.
All that aside the only players apart from Holgate I believe are good enough at present are Davies and possibly Kenny.
The romantic notion that academy players will ,if successful, prove more loyal has long ago been disproved and they are as susceptible to the lure of filthy lucre and shiny pots as any bought in player.
You don't throw kids into a struggling team ,there is very little forgiveness or patience in the PL. Preferably you ease them into sides performing reasonably well.
All that aside the only players apart from Holgate I believe are good enough at present are Davies and possibly Kenny.
Agreed and they've pretty much undermined the argument that he's not giving them a chance because they're not good enough. Bottom line, he's not interested, he's only interested in buying established players.
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
Saints youngster Josh Sims has signed a contract extension until 2018.
The 18-year-old has become a regular starter in the under-21 side, and has been capped for England at youth level.
“I’m delighted to sign the new contract,” Sims told the club's You Tube channel. “I’m happy that the club has also shown faith in me.
“First and foremost this season I really want to nail down a place in the Under-21s, show the first-team staff what I can do and then see where that takes me.
“The aim is to get into the first team, but the Under-21s is the first step. I know the standard I need to get to and hopefully I can impress this season.
“At the start of the season I had to try and get my place in the team and then I got a knock to my knee and was out for a few weeks.
“I only missed one of the games, but I’m back now and looking to impress.”
Basically thats an interview on the official site with sims last december when signing a new contract - Little did he know he had no chance to impress Koeman as he had no idea until today who the player was, pathethic statement from any manager that was today
This is from a site reviewing the Southampto young players who could emerge next
Josh Sims
Sims is arguably the most exciting prospect currently in the Southampton setup. The 19-year-old winger is slight in size, but quick and full of trickery—skills that have seen him shine for both Southampton’s and England’s youth sides. He made a real impression for England Under-17s in the Algarve Tournament two years ago and has continued his development since.
He signed a two-and-a-half-year contract extension in December and looks set to kick on in the way that Lloyd Isgrove has still failed to do. Sims was included in Saints’ party to the USA recently and with few real wide players in the first team squad he stands a chance in the first team.
The 18-year-old has become a regular starter in the under-21 side, and has been capped for England at youth level.
“I’m delighted to sign the new contract,” Sims told the club's You Tube channel. “I’m happy that the club has also shown faith in me.
“First and foremost this season I really want to nail down a place in the Under-21s, show the first-team staff what I can do and then see where that takes me.
“The aim is to get into the first team, but the Under-21s is the first step. I know the standard I need to get to and hopefully I can impress this season.
“At the start of the season I had to try and get my place in the team and then I got a knock to my knee and was out for a few weeks.
“I only missed one of the games, but I’m back now and looking to impress.”
Basically thats an interview on the official site with sims last december when signing a new contract - Little did he know he had no chance to impress Koeman as he had no idea until today who the player was, pathethic statement from any manager that was today
This is from a site reviewing the Southampto young players who could emerge next
Josh Sims
Sims is arguably the most exciting prospect currently in the Southampton setup. The 19-year-old winger is slight in size, but quick and full of trickery—skills that have seen him shine for both Southampton’s and England’s youth sides. He made a real impression for England Under-17s in the Algarve Tournament two years ago and has continued his development since.
He signed a two-and-a-half-year contract extension in December and looks set to kick on in the way that Lloyd Isgrove has still failed to do. Sims was included in Saints’ party to the USA recently and with few real wide players in the first team squad he stands a chance in the first team.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Great post mate. After today's faux pas (which he wouldn't even register as being a mistake of mammoth proportions regarding that Sims kid) it's gathered greater significance.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Half expect to hear Koeman ask who Gareth Bale is at this rate.
Exactly.
And this has never been a debate about whether the kids are good enough.
Its about the opportunities avaliable to them going forward and with the appointment and current circumstances surrounding the club, I can only see the size of these opportunities decreasing.
Pity Koeman didn't also get asked about Sam McQueen & Harrison Reed, another 2 academy graduates who were on the bench; he could have gone for the hat trick!
Josh didn't impress me one bit, if he was 15 then yes I suppose so. Proved he doesn't know how to head the ball(something you can't learn),
didn't show any shooting ability of any significance, and made wrong decisions when attacking. But, he carries his 'mums shopping bags'.
Soton put him on show in the hope of selling another 'One of their own'. Looks like a baby Dan Gosling to me, sorry that is going a bit far!
How about 'Bulling up' a couple of our youngsters, instead of 1/2 a page for other teams?
didn't show any shooting ability of any significance, and made wrong decisions when attacking. But, he carries his 'mums shopping bags'.
Soton put him on show in the hope of selling another 'One of their own'. Looks like a baby Dan Gosling to me, sorry that is going a bit far!
How about 'Bulling up' a couple of our youngsters, instead of 1/2 a page for other teams?
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
Which youngsters?
The ones who will never get a fair crack under koeman?
The ones Unsworth names as being ready for the prem who will never be played by the fat headed oaf?
There seems to be more and more moaning that we're not giving youth a chance.
The club promote the small successes of the academy very well. From regular social media clips of "Look at this wonder goal..." and not being shy to promote our lads have started the season well;
Southampton fans and 'expert' pundits warned us Koeman lives for today and turns a blind eye to the youth setup... and we're seeing more ask questions about him at Everton.
But is our academy just not good enough?
How do we judge them?
How do we justify increasing comment that we should be giving academy lads more of a chance?
On the odd clip we see on social media from Everton? Or their record? (I think Niasse is the U23 top goalscorer...).
From your Jose Baxters and John Paul Kissocks to your now more recent John Lundstram's and Ryan Ledsons now both at Oxford... we all thought it was a matter of time, but we were well off.
Galloway couldn't get a sniff at West Brom, Pennington's the same age as John Stones but doesn't even make the Everton subs bench.
So, Davies, Kenny, Holgate, Dowell and the likes - should any of them be getting in Everton's senior team?
The club promote the small successes of the academy very well. From regular social media clips of "Look at this wonder goal..." and not being shy to promote our lads have started the season well;
Southampton fans and 'expert' pundits warned us Koeman lives for today and turns a blind eye to the youth setup... and we're seeing more ask questions about him at Everton.
But is our academy just not good enough?
How do we judge them?
How do we justify increasing comment that we should be giving academy lads more of a chance?
On the odd clip we see on social media from Everton? Or their record? (I think Niasse is the U23 top goalscorer...).
From your Jose Baxters and John Paul Kissocks to your now more recent John Lundstram's and Ryan Ledsons now both at Oxford... we all thought it was a matter of time, but we were well off.
Galloway couldn't get a sniff at West Brom, Pennington's the same age as John Stones but doesn't even make the Everton subs bench.
So, Davies, Kenny, Holgate, Dowell and the likes - should any of them be getting in Everton's senior team?
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