Moyes Watch @ Real Sociedad
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Efcjake
Player Valuation: £80m
“I got Everton competing at the top end of the league with a mid-table budget. I gave everything I could in trying to make Everton the best I could. It was a long process but we did it – my staff, my players and others at the club."
“Turning Everton into a club which beat the top clubs on a limited budget – and doing that despite selling exceptional players like Wayne Rooney, Jack Rodwell and Joleon Lescott.”
I don't think he is being patronizing at all in those quotes, except maybe when he called Rodwell exceptional. Everything he says is true, he brought the players in on a mid-table budget and had us competing for Europe.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
He did a job and no one can deny it. But he's very quick to cite Everton as his success story now and that grates on two fronts:
1 It masks a lot of poor quality football and the embedding of a culture of playing at Everton that we're still struggling to cast off. And I'd also want him to be honest about a lot of the trash he brought through the door along with the undoubted talent he brought in. By the way, his budget was limited because he went along with not rocking the boat on the issue of transfer funds with the board in exchange for a very nice wages package that had him pulling in more cash than most of Europe's most successful managers. So he cant be whingeing too much about that.
2 It's something that he has no right looking back on and using as a touchstone for his own career that now lurches from one comedy sketch to another. He effectively denied himself that backward glance when he perpetrated the biggest snide attack on a football club in recent memory. Took the plaudits and then the next month spat in our faces. So he can get to **** with his claims on Everton being part of his cv. And he's got no right whatsoever to complain when Evertonians told and continue to tell him so. He made his bed and he now lies in it. No way back for ginger bollocks.
Did a fantastic job here, when you consider the fact he spent less than nothing most years and the consistency of league finishes. He was up and down in his first few years too which is yet another reason why we should be looking to stick with Martinez through tough times for the first few years as long as he shows promise.
Like it or not, there have been no other managers in recent times (where money has become more important) who have managed anything like what he did in the league and in the transfer market. We were a bottom 6 side when he took control and left us as a top 6 side.
I think although he can be massively proud of what he did in the league and in building a competitive squad, he should have made more cup finals and to go 11 years without a trophy while having a very decent side for most of them is a blot on his copybook. He also needs to understand that the only reason he wasn't given the same reception as when he left, on his return, was the way he came in for Baines and Fellaini. He didn't mean to be a d*** imo, but he was and I reckon an apology would go a long way.
Like it or not, there have been no other managers in recent times (where money has become more important) who have managed anything like what he did in the league and in the transfer market. We were a bottom 6 side when he took control and left us as a top 6 side.
I think although he can be massively proud of what he did in the league and in building a competitive squad, he should have made more cup finals and to go 11 years without a trophy while having a very decent side for most of them is a blot on his copybook. He also needs to understand that the only reason he wasn't given the same reception as when he left, on his return, was the way he came in for Baines and Fellaini. He didn't mean to be a d*** imo, but he was and I reckon an apology would go a long way.
Efcjake
Player Valuation: £80m
1. While the football's aesthetic quality was lacking the quality of the football itself is measurable by our success under his stewardship, we might have held onto some 1-0s by playing defensively but they made us able to compete in Europe.
What do you mean by wanting to be honest about the trash he brought through the door? You don't see anyone crucifying Ferguson over signing Djemba-Djemba, JS Veron, or Diego Forlan. Not many people go around advertising their failures so I don't know why you would expect him to.
He went along with not rocking the boat on the issue of transfer funds. They are his bosses and they determine the budget, realistically how much influence do you think he could have had in this area? It isn't like we had cash reserves we weren't dipping into, Christ we were taking out pay-day loans on next years tv rights to facilitate our cash flow. What do his wages have to do with the transfer budget? He was making 60-70k/wk that's not exactly going to fund a spree is it, and they rewarded him with a good contract because he had delivered results by performing above budget expectations.
2. This point is a fair one. I disagree with his behaviour and specifically some of his comments after he left, BUT he did a very successful job which you yourself said can't be denied so I feel he can claim it on his CV if he wants. I am thankful for the job he did, and gave him abuse like everyone else after he left but now that it has settled I don't mind him looking back and being proud of what he accomplished.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
IIRC Everton generally spent about 10th most on transfer fees and about 7th most on wages in the PL in his last half decade or so in charge (I stand to be corrected on that). 5th-8th place finishes were a credit, but not a miracle. By that time in the job he was also time-rich, in that he was able to be in a comfort zone of having gathered all of his own players around him and have total control of decision making on the playing side, and that longevity in turn allows for the type of stability that leads to team-building and results that can undercut or offset the riches of other clubs.
There's no doubt he was of benefit to Everton, to put it mildly. But (and leaving aside his later stab in the back comments) his legacy cant be overplayed.
Nobody logical can or will criticise what he did for Everton the time he was Manager....the moment he left though?
of course they can, even with the best manager in the world you can still be objective about their decision's. overall he did a good job, but he still made mistakes
Obviously my man. I was making reference to the tosser he became towards us the second he walked out the door...
It was how we as a club facilitated him being a bell that grates as well, made up all his little bum boys got cheesed off that cahill took a huge amount of the applause on his last game. I actually don't hate moyes or anything, his downfall at utd was predictable and now he is at a club where he will do okay, I did have tremendous fun being at the utd game last season and letting moyes know what he did in that summer wasn't okay with us, and especially singing 'neville is a grass' to them, but wouldn't be bothered if he did well at sociedad because he was pretty good at what he did when he was with us, neville however I hope fails in everything he does
why the hate?
DanEFC92
Player Valuation: £90m
like I said moyes was pretty good at what he did, neville was crap at what he did, he's been crap at everything he has done, crap player, crap coach and now a crap pundit, luckiest man on the planet, and I had to watch him as our captain, imagine him trying to bollock arteta or fellaini, it's like junior football when the managers son got made captain even if he was tosh, you'd just tell him to [Poor language removed]. Him having a successful career is indicative of everything that is wrong with british football, and why we are light years behind other countries
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