Moyes Though ?

[Deleted member 24970]

Short memories on how Davy boy was treated with the grim reaper at Goodison - I for one do not want to see hoof ball, or a failed manager after leaving us with a nasty smell back it never worked fot the great HK why should it work for dithering Dave??????
If RM is removed I would want a new blood to take us on not the past knife to a gunfight attitude!

People act as though this has changed, be interesting to see the 'top 4' comparison of moyes to Martinez. Im thinking United away was the only one we won ? Cant remember beating city, arsenal or Liverpool away. Again that was only moyes' attitude...

 

[Deleted member 24970]

Sorry I dont do net spend. All players have values so how far back do you go? And Martinez sold a few players himself. The 12M for Niasse (13 wasnt it?) is like spending 4M on a back up player a few years back. As mentioned above though its hard to compare fully but its not an eye opening sum any more.

Moyes spent a fair old sum on Beattie (it was a big amount at the time) and then proceeded to play him in a system that didnt suit him. You can break anything down really if you think hard enough about it.

Thus far Martinez has had an average amount to spend. The amount you would expect for a new manager. I see lots of people fuming as he has spent "loads" when its just not true.

24M on a striker isnt a massive amount any more. Its a fair old whack but its not crazy money either. And it was a signing that needed to be made as Martinez was left with no usable strikers when he joined us.

We did improve under Moyes yes, then we levelled out. We improved under Martinez in his first season too. We dont have 10-11 years to judge Martinez as of now. Moyes also spent a lot of money on wages (not just his own..) to keep certain players at the club, which is fine, thats his choice. He worked better with less to spend anyway as his big money signings were a bit rubbish really in the main.

So what about N'golo Kante, danny drinkwater, Robert huth, wes morgan, Jamie vardy, marc albrighton ? All players who were bought cheap and now look like PL champions. People use the inflation/going rate in any way they can to suit a argument, same as the net spend one.

At the end of the day there are cheaper players less than £13m. As it stands bobby wanted a good back up and paid the valuation fee set at £13m. I don't care if £13m years ago got you a top talent, he was quoted £13m and paid it. He could of got a £5m player but chose to spend bigger. Comparisons are used to suit peoples arguments and aren't really solid proof IMO.

 

[Papa Shango]

So what about N'golo Kante, danny drinkwater, Robert huth, wes morgan, Jamie vardy, marc albrighton ? All players who were bought cheap and now look like PL champions. People use the inflation/going rate in any way they can to suit a argument, same as the net spend one.

At the end of the day there are cheaper players less than £13m. As it stands bobby wanted a good back up and paid the valuation fee set at £13m. I don't care if £13m years ago got you a top talent, he was quoted £13m and paid it. He could of got a £5m player but chose to spend bigger. Comparisons are used to suit peoples arguments and aren't really solid proof IMO.

What about them? You will always get bargains. Been like that since transfers began.

You cant use Leicester as an example for anything. Its an anomaly.

Fact is, how can we judge if Niasse is worth the money or not yet? As of now we simply cant.

 

[Mogwai]

So what about N'golo Kante, danny drinkwater, Robert huth, wes morgan, Jamie vardy, marc albrighton ? All players who were bought cheap and now look like PL champions. People use the inflation/going rate in any way they can to suit a argument, same as the net spend one.

At the end of the day there are cheaper players less than £13m. As it stands bobby wanted a good back up and paid the valuation fee set at £13m. I don't care if £13m years ago got you a top talent, he was quoted £13m and paid it. He could of got a £5m player but chose to spend bigger. Comparisons are used to suit peoples arguments and aren't really solid proof IMO.

Just as a side note, I reckon Kante and Mahrez are the only ones who would go for big money and to a top team. Their success is based on the excellent management of average players.

 

[Deleted member 24970]

What about them? You will always get bargains. Been like that since transfers began.

You cant use Leicester as an example for anything. Its an anomaly.

Fact is, how can we judge if Niasse is worth the money or not yet? As of now we simply cant.

Why cant I use the Leicester players as a example Pap's ? You used beattie as an example in relation to the niasse debate - makes no sense.
Personally I think you pay the going rate for players regardless of era. One team quotes a figure, the buyer then makes a offer, they haggle until common ground is found and a fee is agreed. I think you need to take into account, value to the seller too, how many players are worth say £30m but priceless to the sellers club ?

Im not judgind niasse based on price, im going to judge him on performance, argument is that moyes would love £13m for a squad player, his highest was fellaini on £15m - almost used up a whole kitty for one year back then

 

[blueblue]

So what about N'golo Kante, danny drinkwater, Robert huth, wes morgan, Jamie vardy, marc albrighton ? All players who were bought cheap and now look like PL champions. People use the inflation/going rate in any way they can to suit a argument, same as the net spend one.

At the end of the day there are cheaper players less than £13m. As it stands bobby wanted a good back up and paid the valuation fee set at £13m. I don't care if £13m years ago got you a top talent, he was quoted £13m and paid it. He could of got a £5m player but chose to spend bigger. Comparisons are used to suit peoples arguments and aren't really solid proof IMO.

The real test for Leicester is next season, can they do it all over again. I believe they will struggle to stay in the top half.

 

[Deleted member 24970]

The real test for Leicester is next season, can they do it all over again. I believe they will struggle to stay in the top half.

Depends on who they bring in mate, every 'second season' if you like can be tough. Interesting for the midlands teams, Birmingham are suprising a few under gary rowett, villa may appoint moyes if he fancies it (I doubt it), wolves are steady, West Brom are steady and Leicester have a interesting campaign next year.

 

[Papa Shango]

Why cant I use the Leicester players as a example Pap's ? You used beattie as an example in relation to the niasse debate - makes no sense.
Personally I think you pay the going rate for players regardless of era. One team quotes a figure, the buyer then makes a offer, they haggle until common ground is found and a fee is agreed. I think you need to take into account, value to the seller too, how many players are worth say £30m but priceless to the sellers club ?

Im not judgind niasse based on price, im going to judge him on performance, argument is that moyes would love £13m for a squad player, his highest was fellaini on £15m - almost used up a whole kitty for one year back then

But thats completely ignoring the fact that there is more money in the game and that general inflation has changed prices. 13M now is not the same 13M in Moyes time.

Also Moyes would spend it on a rubbish left sided player from the Russian league as well....

 

[Deleted member 24970]

But thats completely ignoring the fact that there is more money in the game and that general inflation has changed prices. 13M now is not the same 13M in Moyes time.

Also Moyes would spend it on a rubbish left sided player from the Russian league as well....

Diniyar scored when he wanted too, if your going to do something then do it in style my friend

 

[Papa Shango]

Diniyar scored when he wanted too, if your going to do something then do it in style my friend

Scored some of the best goals I have ever seen.

Still rubbish mind...

 

[Mountfield1985]

The longer Martinez stays in charge the more appealing Moyes gets, Martinez is a pure myth of a manager, he's brutal.

Another season of Martinez and by Christmas everyone will be pining for DM.

There are more than 2 football managers in the world.

 

[raithrovers94]

I would go with Martinez till end of season then look at Middlesbrough manager

 

[Timak]

Above average manager and that's it.

I agree, as far as I can see there are 3 types of managers.

Above average, average and below average.

If you look into it you'll find that about 60% of managers get their teams to exactly where their wage bills would indicate they should finish. These are the average managers.

About 30% of managers don't even manage to do averagely. Their teams don't do as well as you would expect for the money they spend.

Then about 10% of managers outperform their spending. Moyes was in this category with Everton.

 

[Goat]

I agree, as far as I can see there are 3 types of managers.

Above average, average and below average.

If you look into it you'll find that about 60% of managers get their teams to exactly where their wage bills would indicate they should finish. These are the average managers.

About 30% of managers don't even manage to do averagely. Their teams don't do as well as you would expect for the money they spend.

Then about 10% of managers outperform their spending. Moyes was in this category with Everton.

Yep, theres tiers.

Tier 1
Jose, SAF
Tier 2
Wenger, Pep
Tier 3
Hughes, Moyes, Big Sam
Tier 4
Mike Walker, Walter Smith


Tier 952
Roberto Martinez

 

[Deleted member 24970]

Yep, theres tiers.

Tier 1
Jose, SAF
Tier 2
Wenger, Pep
Tier 3
Hughes, Moyes, Big Sam
Tier 4
Mike Walker, Walter Smith


Tier 952
Roberto Martinez

You don't half think highly of bobby, way up there in 952nd place lol