Moyes straw poll

[Tristagi]

You know what, **** it, I'll jump sides with all the nay sayers. I'm sure one of us Football Manager superstars would do a better job playing attackign football with the pathetic strike force we have.

In all honesty, people attacking Moyes for negative football would be the same dills who take a butter knife to a gun fight. If we had quality.. or even strong attacking players we would have more of an attacking game. But we don't. Because players that score and create goals are worth the big money and as we know we have none. Unless we sold Baines, Jags and/or Fellaini, in which case we are just robbing Peter to pay Paul. Not being able to retain players and buy the quality needed comes down to funds, and that’s a board problem, not manager. With the squad we have finishing 7-12th is the best we can hope for. Its pains me to say this but at the moment Everton is nothing but a mediocre Premier League team and until some investment comes that will remain the case. Moyes may not be the man to take us forward and into the top four when and if these resources ever become avaliable, but he is the man that can hold us in and around where we realistically should be, and as long as he is doing that he should keep his job. Judge him more harshly when he has the money to buy players build a squad that is capable of doing what we want.
But no, lets get him out, bring in Steve Bruce or the like and watch us drift off into football oblivion. I mean look at what he did with the 24mil he spent at Sunderland in the last year. I sure as hell would trust him with what little funds we have over Moyes who has been able to operate on gas fumes for years...

 

[Brennan]

You know what, **** it, I'll jump sides with all the nay sayers. I'm sure one of us Football Manager superstars would do a better job playing attackign football with the pathetic strike force we have.

In all honesty, people attacking Moyes for negative football would be the same dills who take a butter knife to a gun fight. If we had quality.. or even strong attacking players we would have more of an attacking game. But we don't. Because players that score and create goals are worth the big money and as we know we have none. Unless we sold Baines, Jags and/or Fellaini, in which case we are just robbing Peter to pay Paul. Not being able to retain players and buy the quality needed comes down to funds, and that’s a board problem, not manager. With the squad we have finishing 7-12th is the best we can hope for. Its pains me to say this but at the moment Everton is nothing but a mediocre Premier League team and until some investment comes that will remain the case. Moyes may not be the man to take us forward and into the top four when and if these resources ever become avaliable, but he is the man that can hold us in and around where we realistically should be, and as long as he is doing that he should keep his job. Judge him more harshly when he has the money to buy players build a squad that is capable of doing what we want.
But no, lets get him out, bring in Steve Bruce or the like and watch us drift off into football oblivion. I mean look at what he did with the 24mil he spent at Sunderland in the last year. I sure as hell would trust him with what little funds we have over Moyes who has been able to operate on gas fumes for years...

Norwich play better attacking football than us. Are you telling me they have a better squad ?

 

[Tristagi]

Norwich play better attacking football than us. Are you telling me they have a better squad ?

On current form maybe, but its really worked well for them as a whole cause they have conceaded 10 more goals than us... The 4-5-1 that is so frequently bagged is the same formation that deliever is Europa League and top 6/7 finishes. It just doesn't have same personal it did and he hasn't had the chance to replenish the squad and its gotten older and less effective. It may just be me but with the personal we do have it suits us best to play this way, and I would rather us play like we did against Arsenal and only get done 1-0 and have a chance at wining/getting a point, then going out playing a style that doesn't suit who we have and getting pantsed 3/4-0.

We have a great defence, solid workman midfiend but no class playmaker, in fact we don't really have one and no quality finisher, our best is good at most when he isn't injured and other than Saha we have nothing. I get just as frustrated as everyone else here by it but the simple fact is that we are playing to our strengths which is what we should be doing, there is no point playing like Barca when we don't have the personal. If we had Rooney, Tevez, Arguero or Dzeko up front and Moyes was playing like this, then I would be screaming for his head, but as someone who steps back and thinks logically rather than emotive I understand why things are the way they are.

 

[Brennan]

On current form maybe, but its really worked well for them as a whole cause they have conceaded 10 more goals than us... The 4-5-1 that is so frequently bagged is the same formation that deliever is Europa League and top 6/7 finishes. It just doesn't have same personal it did and he hasn't had the chance to replenish the squad and its gotten older and less effective. It may just be me but with the personal we do have it suits us best to play this way, and I would rather us play like we did against Arsenal and only get done 1-0 and have a chance at wining/getting a point, then going out playing a style that doesn't suit who we have and getting pantsed 3/4-0.

We have a great defence, solid workman midfiend but no class playmaker, in fact we don't really have one and no quality finisher, our best is good at most when he isn't injured and other than Saha we have nothing. I get just as frustrated as everyone else here by it but the simple fact is that we are playing to our strengths which is what we should be doing, there is no point playing like Barca when we don't have the personal. If we had Rooney, Tevez, Arguero or Dzeko up front and Moyes was playing like this, then I would be screaming for his head, but as someone who steps back and thinks logically rather than emotive I understand why things are the way they are.

Norwich may have conceded 10 more goals than us, but they're also 3 points ahead of us in the table. You don't climb the league by conceding 1 goal per game, you climb the table by scoring more than the opposition in each individual game. It's all well and good for us to say 'oh well we only lost 1-0 against City and Norwich got tonked', but Norwich have also got more points on the board.

The personnel we have do not suit playing this way at all mate. 4-5-1's work best when you have a striker who can hold his own up front against defenders, a player like Big Dunc. Saha does not fit that mould, at all. At the very least you want a player in the hole who can do that, allowing Saha to focus on scoring goals. Based on recent performances there is no indication that Tim Cahill can do that anymore.

It's not just the formation that people are frustrated with either. Moyes consistently picks his 'favourites' even though it is clear to most people that said players are past it. Cahill and Neville, for example.

We have players like Gueye and Barkley who are eager to play, but Moyes instead chooses players who let the game pass them by. Neville could have sat down on the touchline against Arsenal and nobody would have noticed. I wouldn't call that 'playing to our strengths'.

 

[BigBlueBalls]

Where's the straw?

 

[TX Bill]

In.....

 

[Elong]

You're right lad, but if you were unhappy about not being able to fulfil your ambitions would you just hang around for the money or would you have the confidence in your own ability to walk away and try your luck somewhere else ?

Moyes doesn't strike me as the sort of person who splashes his cash around. I'd guess he has a fair amount stashed away for a rainy day and if the situation at Everton frustrates him then he could just walk. Maybe he thinks he'll get the cash to do the job at EFC, and hopefully he will, but if he's just going through the motions then it'd be better all round if he just walked.

Having said that, I went for "Cheese on Toast" too and will stick with that for this season, but, sooner or later, Moyes has to decide if he's just working towards his pipe and slippers or whether he wants to push himself.

Valid points mate, it's a tricky one and he's earning a fair whack more than you and me, he may be set up for life. But that old thing about relative poverty springs to mind, now he's on good money, he may feel aggrieved to go elsewhere for possibly a cut, despite it still being decent money by any stretch.
Personally, I'd keep taking the money like. Besides, if he wanted to leave, he could do so quietly, burning bridges and all that doesn't make you look a likely candidate for future jobs in this industry I'd imagine.

 

[sexualchocolate]

Norwich may have conceded 10 more goals than us, but they're also 3 points ahead of us in the table. You don't climb the league by conceding 1 goal per game, you climb the table by scoring more than the opposition in each individual game. It's all well and good for us to say 'oh well we only lost 1-0 against City and Norwich got tonked', but Norwich have also got more points on the board.

The personnel we have do not suit playing this way at all mate. 4-5-1's work best when you have a striker who can hold his own up front against defenders, a player like Big Dunc. Saha does not fit that mould, at all. At the very least you want a player in the hole who can do that, allowing Saha to focus on scoring goals. Based on recent performances there is no indication that Tim Cahill can do that anymore.

It's not just the formation that people are frustrated with either. Moyes consistently picks his 'favourites' even though it is clear to most people that said players are past it. Cahill and Neville, for example.

We have players like Gueye and Barkley who are eager to play, but Moyes instead chooses players who let the game pass them by. Neville could have sat down on the touchline against Arsenal and nobody would have noticed. I wouldn't call that 'playing to our strengths'.

completely agree with this, in previous seasons when we were in trouble i think we were mostly confident that it would turn around as the system was working well with the players who were there, this season its not happening and its not going to anytime soon, the huge problem with this is that Moyes is either stubbornly unwilling or tactically unable to change direction which is why I've voted No in the poll

 

[daz4matty]

He has some time in the bank for me for what he has done for us but he has been clueless this season and if he does not want to be here he should do the decent thing.
The main reason we are dying out there is kenrite and the board and i hope fans can see that

 

[Deathspike]

I'm still going with Moyes in.

Yes, his team selections and substitutions are very odd sometimes but there has to be a method to his madness. Moyes is a good manager, and he has served us very well in the past and no doubt he will continue to serve us well.

A few times before he has been going on about how no player is safe from being dropped from the squad, and to an extent he did go with his word for a bit there.

I'm just thinking, there HAS to be a reason why he keeps playing Cahill up front, despite his form and playing 2 defensive mids. I'm wondering if he is seeing a lot in training we don't. Maybe Cahill outperforms our other strikers in training, maybe Big Vic does as well. Or maybe he doesn't think our younger players can step up at the moment. There has got to be something he is seeing there.

Either that, or he's really just trying to play it safe and it's not coming off. Either way in the next month or two there has got to be a system change and we've got to start changing things up.

Plus, if he goes who are we going to get? Steve Bruce? Avram Grant? Alan Shearer? There is also a possibility of Roberto Martinez or Owen Coyle if Wigan or Bolton get relegated but right now there isn't much out there for replacements and there is no real guarantee that they will do any better than Moyes right now.

The table is really tight right now, and we did have that one big run of really difficult games. I think as soon as mid Jan hits, things will start to look a bit more realistic in terms of our actual position.

 

[Summerskin]

There's too much wanking over 2004/5 in here.

 

[bluejock]

fromage pour moi mon amis

Where's the shake it all about option ffs?

 

[Gerard_Francis]

In....

 

[Muggins]

There's too much wanking over 2004/5 in here.

Very much this.

The funny thing is, all the posters who rant about "moyes is brilliant, he's our saviour" etc, are blinded by loyalty.


Not one Moyes supporter on here actually attempts to explain his poor tactics and team selection. It seems these people have proved there is no defending it, as all I'm reading is "anyone who wants moyes out is an idiot, we will come good in January..." Can't wait to see what these same people say when we don't...

I'm still sitting on the fence here. But moyes must change his tactics. It's killing the school of science...

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

There's too much wanking over 2004/5 in here.

Yes sir there is. We've been going fairly rapidly downhill since the FA Cup final, I think its fair to say. That was the best possible time we could've been bought.