Moyes - should he stay or should he go?

[Drico]

Next year is make or break as it always has been. Get into Europe or that’s the end. This ownership will not keep Moyes around for an extra 5 years to keep bumping his head against the glass ceiling.

I don't see why we need to wait another year to make Europe when we are a few points off it as things stand. We have five games to make Europe. The teams just above us are no better than us. It's much and muchness. Other than City - who will be under pressure - we play sides who sit below us in the league in the other four (West Ham, Sunderland, Palace, and Spurs). This is a golden opportunity. Win three, draw one, and that's another 10 points. Attainable.

Progress needs to be tangible - especially when the chance is there. If the manager wants to stay on, get Europe.

 

[tantavisiteler]

I don't see why we need to wait another year to make Europe when we are a few points off it as things stand. We have five games to make Europe. The teams just above us are no better than us. It's much and muchness. Other than City - who will be under pressure - we play sides who sit below us in the league in the other four (West Ham, Sunderland, Palace, and Spurs). This is a golden opportunity. Win three, draw one, and that's another 10 points. Attainable.

Progress needs to be tangible - especially when the chance is there. If the manager wants to stay on, get Europe.

Well said

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Distinct lack of success, joy or goonery in this thread.

 

[SingBlue]

If one of them were to be sacked here next season, we'd then be in the position of paying 3 managers simultaneously. This sort of thing is generally lost on some though it would seem. It's why the interim has become more of a thing. It was unheard of not so long back. Clubs would appoint a caretaker, and move to appoint a permanent asap. Managers are on big money these days though. Getting rid of Moyes would effectively be a £30 million player you couldn't sign on a five year deal. Not to mention the basic waste of paying him £6 million for next season to do absolutely nothing for us.

This highlights a sympton of how the influx of money hasn't been followed by a reformation of the outflow.

Years ago "loyalty" payments, paying out contracts etc. were an outcome at a time when wages were much lower. Of course the players' agents (collective) have pushed for the increase in wage, but without commensurate reduction in other clauses - can't blame them, it's what they're paid to do. And for clubs to push back it has to be on a unanimous basis, or with intervention from regulators - so it won't change.

On Moyes I appreciate the job he's done in stabalising us, but I don't believe we're ever going to trouble the engravers under him. I suspect this European push is a year at least earlier than planned - mainly a function of the general dross in the league. If there was someone lined up for the long-term, then I wouldn't be sorry to see him go. But I want words like "project" and "transformation" banned from the boardroom to the tea room.

 

[ClausThomsen]

I don't see why we need to wait another year to make Europe when we are a few points off it as things stand. We have five games to make Europe. The teams just above us are no better than us. It's much and muchness. Other than City - who will be under pressure - we play sides who sit below us in the league in the other four (West Ham, Sunderland, Palace, and Spurs). This is a golden opportunity. Win three, draw one, and that's another 10 points. Attainable.

Progress needs to be tangible - especially when the chance is there. If the manager wants to stay on, get Europe.

Isn't going from years of circling the drain and relegation dogfights to upper midtable / European qualification 'golden opportunity' tangible progress?

 

[Marcus Kendall]

I don't see why we need to wait another year to make Europe when we are a few points off it as things stand. We have five games to make Europe. The teams just above us are no better than us. It's much and muchness. Other than City - who will be under pressure - we play sides who sit below us in the league in the other four (West Ham, Sunderland, Palace, and Spurs). This is a golden opportunity. Win three, draw one, and that's another 10 points. Attainable.

Progress needs to be tangible - especially when the chance is there. If the manager wants to stay on, get Europe.

Nail on head Drico. If we fail to qualify for Europe then it's been a mediocre season despite the general improvement

 

[Marcus Kendall]

Isn't going from years of circling the drain and relegation dogfights to upper midtable / European qualification 'golden opportunity' tangible progress?

Normally yes but you have to take into context the league has been utter rubbish this year

 

[ClausThomsen]

Normally yes but you have to take into context the league has been utter rubbish this year

By what measure? Teams taking more points from each other up and down the league would point to a more competitive league but not necessarily a worse one in terms of how difficult it is to win points. It certainly isn't a vintage year in terms of attractive football but that's not a measure of quality in terms of performance required.

There hasn't been a notable drop off in Europe for example which could be argued a measure of a leagues overall quality.

 

[Marcus Kendall]

By what measure? Teams taking more points from each other up and down the league would point to a more competitive league but not necessarily a worse one in terms of how difficult it is to win points. It certainly isn't a vintage year in terms of attractive football but that's not a measure of quality in terms of performance required.

There hasn't been a notable drop off in Europe for example which could be argued a measure of a leagues overall quality.

By the measure of the sides that are usually expected to occupy the european places have underperformed (Spurs, Newcastle, Cheatsea and even the RS)

 

[preposterousvelios]

Yeah, he's the flavour of the month for some reason

I wouldn’t want De Zerbi due to the baggage he comes with, but hardly flavour of the month at this point.

10 years experience coaching top flight football. Farioli at Porto who's very highly rated is a student of De Zerbi, as are a few other young managers out there atm. When you get to the point of having your own school of thought in football I don't think you can really be referred to as 'flavour of the month' anymore. That's real tangible influence on the game.

Again I dont even want De Zerbi, but it does get tiresome seeing any manager who's under the age of 50 being referred to as hipster, flavour of the month, etc.

 

[Marcus Kendall]

By what measure? Teams taking more points from each other up and down the league would point to a more competitive league but not necessarily a worse one in terms of how difficult it is to win points. It certainly isn't a vintage year in terms of attractive football but that's not a measure of quality in terms of performance required.

There hasn't been a notable drop off in Europe for example which could be argued a measure of a leagues overall quality.

Drop off in Europe was very noticeable, RS, Newcastle, Sportwashers, Cheatsea and Spurs were all knocked out after being schooled. Arsenal have had a cakewalk draw so far

 

[Groucho]

Stay and I stand by that.

Clear improvement over the last half decade at least.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

I wouldn’t want De Zerbi due to the baggage he comes with, but hardly flavour of the month at this point.

10 years experience coaching top flight football. Farioli at Porto who's very highly rated is a student of De Zerbi, as are a few other young managers out there atm. When you get to the point of having your own school of thought in football I don't think you can really be referred to as 'flavour of the month' anymore. That's real tangible influence on the game.

Again I dont even want De Zerbi, but it does get tiresome seeing any manager who's under the age of 50 being referred to as hipster, flavour of the month, etc.

Sounds like you are a fanboy of this current flavour of the month.

 

[preposterousvelios]

Sounds like you are a fanboy of this current flavour of the month.

Stated multiple times in the post that I don't want De Zerbi? Fatal character flaws that would never fly here, would be a disaster.

I'm just pointing out that for some reason the most devoted Moyes cultists such as yourself seem to be threatened or irritated by the mere existence of younger managers that play football which is in any way innovative or progressive. Wonder why that is?

 

[danny147]

Some proper nonsense being spouted. If we was asked at the start of the season would it be a good season if we was fighting for a potential European spot in the last few games of the season 99.9% would have said yes.

I'm not even a Moyes fan boy but some of the anti Moyes ones literally change the goalposts constantly to suit the anti Moyes agenda they have.

If he stays sound hopefully we continue progressing next season too, if he goes I'll wish him nothing but the best for the hard works hes put in to stabilise the club after the woeful last few years and hopefully the next manager comes in and continues the progression Moyes has started.