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Moyes - should he stay or should he go?
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He’s not going anywhere now or next season.
Sharpies volley
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We need to keep him, at least for next season so he gets another transfer window and can stabilise the club a bit more. But to be quite honest that's all he will ever do. If we had every player from the PSG squad we'd probably finish in the champions league position under Moyes but that's probably his ceiling. He's far too pragmatic. As Sir Alex once said, if you want to win trophies you have to take risks. Moyes is too safe, both with his team selections and his tactics.
BlueStevie35
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davek
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Moyes looks for respectability. That's his ambitions. If he can avoid getting battered in games against the elite clubs and get top half, that's a successful season for him.
We may have been in the gutter in recent seasons but that club is gone now. We are a different entity with new owners, and we play in a different environment now. Getting a couple of defeats off Liverpool every season - along with United and City and Arsenal - but getting mid-table is not stabilisation it's stagnation.
We deserve better than a manager who thinks we're a vehicle for his limited horizons.
Take Kate Beckinsale or Sydney Sweeney who are waiting for someone to talk to them, who else would you have?
Mate, we're a Premier League club. From all accounts we pay stupidly high wages for managers. If Chelsea can sack 3 managers in a year and don't even have one to see out the end of the season, if Spurs are on their 4th manager, etc. Managers jump over a bridge at the opportunity.
You know what you get with Moyes. Mid table finishes with some good results mixed in with some awful ones. Win the odd game unexpectedly but lose games where there is the opportunity to achieve something. No real focus on cup competitions with normally early exits with weakened teams. Either the team will make a great start and finish poorly or start badly then finish strongly. The stuff in between will be OK but extremely inconsistent.
I get that the security or safety of midtable can feel very welcome after recent years. And he was absolutely the right pick when Dyche left. But I do not see Moyes as a long term option if we are serious about being a successful team. If we are going to spend money in the summer it needs to be as part of a strategy to overhaul the squad and allow us to compete over multiple seasons. If he is only going to stay one more year, it makes recruitment difficult.
I get that the security or safety of midtable can feel very welcome after recent years. And he was absolutely the right pick when Dyche left. But I do not see Moyes as a long term option if we are serious about being a successful team. If we are going to spend money in the summer it needs to be as part of a strategy to overhaul the squad and allow us to compete over multiple seasons. If he is only going to stay one more year, it makes recruitment difficult.
Sharpies volley
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I agree with you that it's stagnation, or it would be if we were 5 years down the line. But to be fair to him he's only been back just over a year and compared to where we where when he came back it's definitely stabilisation. We need to be able to walk again before we can run. We've been crawling in recent years.
davek
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IMO the feeling is that this position now would be ok if he hadn't had those players brought in last summer. That getting to 11th presently would be very much ok and that spending will sort the next level out for us. However, that cash has been spent and wasted. And I dont think many on here believe he'll spend cash this summer on players that will be a success and get us to the next level. More likely he'll get more in and be more wasteful.
He's done that the first time around here too. I just dont trust this feller with cash. And that's a problem for us.
Best to cut the Gordian Knot and try and get the reboot of the club we should have seen this season.
He's a problem for us Moyes...a big problem.
BackRow PE6
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Time to roll the dice in my opinion. We have too much going for us as a club to accept safe
Sharpies volley
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That's one of the points I'm making. As I said in a previous post. If he had the whole of the PSG squad here he probably still would only just make champions league. I certainly don't believe he's the man to make us serial winners and become the success we once were. I just think at the moment. It's steady as you go. It would be a risk if we got rid of him simply because our past record of hiring managers has not been particularly good. Who would we bring in if we did get shut and for that matter who would come here. Everton are still a big pull for most managers but we need to do our due diligence, not just appoint someone cause they beat the RS a couple of times.
kiss the crest
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great post
Fonzy
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Do you really want to give him control of transfers because i don’t
Sharpies volley
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It's not the transfers I'm bothered about. It's his tactical nous.
100% this. He's stagnated this season. He's been tactically outplayed a number of times by younger managers. His plan to scrap the DOF role and take charge of transfers has been a disaster. There's a number of managers available in the summer. Bin the guy off and show some ambition. I'm done with this managerial light weight whose record reeks of being Mr Average.
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