Moyes - should he stay or should he go?

[Cjplennon]

Exactly. I guess it depends on the profile of the squad

And profile of the owners! Its not going to go well if you bring in a manager who works in a certain way and the direction of travel for the owners is the polar opposite.
I would say 90% of the success rate for a particular manager is having a structure around them that aligns. Probably why Moyes has managed to steady the ship at Everton as he knows how the decades old and solidified internal chaos and disfunction works. Any new up and coming coach coming into the Everton set up a year ago was going to struggle IMO.

 

[Joey66]

Chelsea may be sniffing around

 

[royvernon39]

EfC is a mid table team with potential. The issue is whether DM can identify those players to make the potential a reality. Maybe two or three difference makers, which were lacking against LFC, are the order of the day. Can DM do it? I think 60 per cent that he can.

 

[Cjplennon]

Chelsea may be sniffing around

They are the classic example of owners who dont know what they want. They see a manager that looks great on paper but when they nab them they realise that manager only worked in that other club because of the analytics and structure behind them.
You need your own solid plan and strategy and then choose a manager who fits the bill. Rather than the oh that manager did great at Brighton so lets have him.....they come to your club and you wonder why they have not got a clue....

 

[RichardArlison]

Sack him and bring in Iraola, Frank or Howe.

We need a winner

 

[Swartzy]

Sack him and bring in Iraola, Frank or Howe.,

We need a winner

If you don't want Moyes, you probably won't like Howe. A lot of similarities..
Frank, not really a jump forward..

Iraola has gone from a sweet sounding foreign dish to a bowl of cold porridge..

 

[LostLegend]

I think there's definitely a 'fear of change' with some fans.

We spent so many years chopping and changing managers only to become further destabilised and drift closer to what seemed like an inevitable relegation at some points, that having a manager who has brought some stability and a chance for us fans to catch out collected breath, has brought some much needed respite.

I was very skeptical when he was brought in, but have been pleased with what he's done so far. Yes, some of the old Moyes-ism's remain (leaving subs too late, seemingly not giving younger players a fair shake etc.) but my personal metric for Everton is season by season improvement. Slowey & surely if needed. He has done that so far.

Is he the manager to plan out our long term vision? No. But even I admit to having a slight feeling of dread at changing yet another manager. It's the Everton PTSD if you will, and yes, I know that's not how we should be basing our decision on whether or not to bring in a fresh face!

Barring a complete capitulation between now and the end of the season, I think he should be given the next season to continue setting the foundation/bedrock of a competitive team and we should definitely be looking at/courting a long term replacement to step in after that.

 

[matty1878]

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I think there's definitely a 'fear of change' with some fans.

We spent so many years chopping and changing managers only to become further destabilised and drift closer to what seemed like an inevitable relegation at some points, that having a manager who has brought some stability and a chance for us fans to catch out collected breath, has brought some much needed respite.

I was very skeptical when he was brought in, but have been pleased with what he's done so far. Yes, some of the old Moyes-ism's remain (leaving subs too late, seemingly not giving younger players a fair shake etc.) but my personal metric for Everton is season by season improvement. Slowey & surely if needed. He has done that so far.

Is he the manager to plan out our long term vision? No. But even I admit to having a slight feeling of dread at changing yet another manager. It's the Everton PTSD if you will, and yes, I know that's not how we should be basing our decision on whether or not to bring in a fresh face!

Barring a complete capitulation between now and the end of the season, I think he should be given the next season to continue setting the foundation/bedrock of a competitive team and we should definitely be looking at/courting a long term replacement to step in after that.

bravo mate

 

[Bedfordblue]

Another problem with Moyes is his cronies seemingly embedded in the transfer collective. If he goes, i suspect they will all follow suit. Somewhat undermines Anus’s plans for a committee instead of a DoF.

 

[ArtetaMoney]

I think there's definitely a 'fear of change' with some fans.

We spent so many years chopping and changing managers only to become further destabilised and drift closer to what seemed like an inevitable relegation at some points, that having a manager who has brought some stability and a chance for us fans to catch out collected breath, has brought some much needed respite.

I was very skeptical when he was brought in, but have been pleased with what he's done so far. Yes, some of the old Moyes-ism's remain (leaving subs too late, seemingly not giving younger players a fair shake etc.) but my personal metric for Everton is season by season improvement. Slowey & surely if needed. He has done that so far.

Is he the manager to plan out our long term vision? No. But even I admit to having a slight feeling of dread at changing yet another manager. It's the Everton PTSD if you will, and yes, I know that's not how we should be basing our decision on whether or not to bring in a fresh face!

Barring a complete capitulation between now and the end of the season, I think he should be given the next season to continue setting the foundation/bedrock of a competitive team and we should definitely be looking at/courting a long term replacement to step in after that.

Spot on mate.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

And profile of the owners! Its not going to go well if you bring in a manager who works in a certain way and the direction of travel for the owners is the polar opposite.
I would say 90% of the success rate for a particular manager is having a structure around them that aligns. Probably why Moyes has managed to steady the ship at Everton as he knows how the decades old and solidified internal chaos and disfunction works. Any new up and coming coach coming into the Everton set up a year ago was going to struggle IMO.

I would say 90% is a big overestimate. It is a big factor though. Moyes himself is a good example when he walked into a power vacuum at Man Utd and then a club in a major crisis at Sunderland.

West Ham and Everton when he walked in were troubled clubs, but there was enough of a structure at both that he could get a grip on things. But we have a more professional setup than West Ham and, I would argue, a higher ceiling.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Another problem with Moyes is his cronies seemingly embedded in the transfer collective. If he goes, i suspect they will all follow suit. Somewhat undermines Anus’s plans for a committee instead of a DoF.

Cronies or "trusted colleagues?"

 

[Papa Shango]

Sack him and bring in Iraola, Frank or Howe.

We need a winner

One EFL cup between the 3 of them.

Which to be fair is the same amount of top level trophies that Moyes has won, but still...

 

[tantavisiteler]

So what do we think

 

[davek]

So what do we think

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