Moyes aims for budget rebuild after Uefa exit

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davek said:
I think we have to stop kidding ourselves. We are not going to challenge for any trophy anytime soon. We are not competitive in that respect. We've been fed a diet over the past few seasons of: "build slowly - retaining your quality players and adding a couple more each season - and we can edge our way to a CL qualifying place regularly and pick up a trophy".

The truth of that matter - and leaving out the fact that even THAT policy above was dropped like a hot potato this summer by this clueless board of directors - is that you dont get anywhere in this league by making incremental gains. It's such a shifting environment in terms of club ownership that you need a QUANTUM LEAP to get anywhere the 4 SKY bastards.

Today's statement by Moyes is simply the recognition of that fact.

We have a choice to make, all of us: support the team and accept our fate or declare that football is [Poor language removed] and take up gardening.
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I agree that we won't challenge for a trophy. We've got an outside chance of an FA cup this season (as have most of the PL) but the fact is the one of the top 4 teams will most probably take that. It depends what you view as success. If it is just about winning things like a domestic cup, then I'd prefer not to be successful and have a season like the last one. I'd take a 5th spot and a good run in Europe and in a domestic cup over what Portsmouth did. So I'd say we can achieve some relative success, just not that type that a certain four clubs covet.
 

Nebbiolo said:
I agree that we won't challenge for a trophy. We've got an outside chance of an FA cup this season (as have most of the PL) but the fact is the one of the top 4 teams will most probably take that. It depends what you view as success. If it is just about winning things like a domestic cup, then I'd prefer not to be successful and have a season like the last one. I'd take a 5th spot and a good run in Europe and in a domestic cup over what Portsmouth did. So I'd say we can achieve some relative success, just not that type that a certain four clubs covet.
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I'd have to say a Cup win over the high league placing. With other clubs like City and Villa and Spurs always likely to outspend us in the forseeable getting 5th now would be like the old 4th place holy grail.....see, I told you how quick this league shifts ground. (y)
 

i think we were proggressing fine with our transfer policy of buying 'rough diamond' players that could be improoved.
it was financially stable and got good results.

any poor decisions in purchasing a 'rough diamond' player that didnt eventually reach the standard required had little negative impact.

when you start changing these policies to spending vast amounts on 1 player , you may get slightly more skill but you lose the individual effort to improove that you get with a 'rough diamond' player that has to proove his worth. also if the big buy flops , it costs in many ways.

the benefit and financial stability you get from these untapped gems is far greater than buying big.

besides when moyes has bought on a budget ,the team have done well .

when he has spent big it hasnt really moved our progress up a major jolt.

i mean , if it isnt broke why fix it , for example cahill arteta peinaar all 3 together for less than what we paided for beatie alone.

we have a manager who can spot this kind of untapped talent and who can get the best out of them.he has proven thats is not how much you spend but what you spend it on that can get a club euopean football.

he has to do what hes best at , then progress will come naturally to the club.

im sure if you gave moyes 100 million to buy a team and then 50 million to buy a second team , the underdog team would win.
 
I THINK That In january The Squad Needs Some Serious Additions! Lower Leagues, Prem Or Foreign - Anyone Will Do!
 

Lets all make the mistake of buying big time charlie's with heavy wage packets and massive ego's that think the game owes them something.

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we could buy players that Moyes can transform and turn into class club players that play for the love of the game, their position in the team, their wages, and the hero status with our fans that they have never experienced before.


My personal opinion, no matter how much some people criticise kenwright, moyes can take the responsibility for aiming high at a certain number of players(pre made stars, big names, etc) and having no contingency plan for when it all went tits up. Fellaini was a target for about a month before he signed for us, other than that the rest were pie in the sky.

Moyes made his name, and his saviour status with us by finding rough cut diamonds(cheers UKnightbreed) and turning them into players that started in lower leagues and then played for their countries under the education of Moyes. That is where his talent is, and that is what he should nurture.


Lets face it, Leeds Utd, Blackburn, Forrest, Wimbledon, all did it without aiming for the high stars. They fell when they broke club policy and tried it though.


Lesson for this season - always have a back up plan.
 
ToxtethBlue said:
These players get you to a certain level then that's it to be honest. Moyes said that himself a few months ago, he needs to look at better quality. It doesn't have to be big name 20 million players but they have to cost something.

We've seen how someone like Yakubu can push us on, 11 million for a player who probably is world class. And before people give me stick for calling him world class look and his goalscoring record and jog on.

I don't mind him mixing it up, one big signing and the rest 2-6 million pound players like the Cahill, Arteta, Lescott and Jags of this world. That's the way to go for me.

And I don't like the fact that he just looks at the Championship, bar two or three players there's nothing there. He needs to expand his net work and look abroad.

The rebuilding comment annoyed me, is he telling us we haven't got a good enough squad to compete?
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But it does have to be 20M type players.

Why you ask?

Simple. Because that's the going rate in the transfer market these days.

20M may be a stretch but it isn't a stretch to say that a step up in quality could easily be in the 12-15M range per player.

That's money we just don't have right now.
 
When did Evertonians turn into trainee accountants?

All this cost-benefit analysis. It didn't used to be like this. We used to just watch football and praise/**** players off.

<shakes head>
 

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