Most heinous British war crime?

[peteblue]

Yeah, Britain never treated the Irish like the enemy.

No defo not.

What was Bloody Sunday again?

You are confusing British and Irish. People in Northern Ireland were and are British as well as being Northern Irish, even those who support the Republicans. The RUC and the Army originally were protecting the Catholic Northern Irish from attacks by Protestant Northern Irish before various paramilitaries decided to attack them both. The British Army was made up from people across the UK, English,Scots,Welsh and Irish, and from both Protestant and Catholic backgrounds.

They were there to help, yet suffered many hundreds of fatalities while trying to keep the peace. I'm pretty sure all of the Soldiers would have preferred to have been somewhere else.

Bloody Sunday accounted for the deaths of 14 people out of a total of 3,500 and as a result probably caused the deaths of many more. 21 people died in the Bombings in Birmingham and 2 children died in Warrington. There was no single event that was worse than any other when lives were lost. The 'troubles' as they were sometimes referred to lasted a long time, had many fatalities and a massive number of injured. To pick on a single event and highlight it as a war crime is both incorrect and massively hypocritical. There are people in Political power today who were responsible for many of those deaths and injuries, but the GFA was meant to put it all behind us. A terribly sad time with pain felt by all parties concerned.........

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

You are confusing British and Irish. People in Northern Ireland were and are British as well as being Northern Irish, even those who support the Republicans. The RUC and the Army originally were protecting the Catholic Northern Irish from attacks by Protestant Northern Irish before various paramilitaries decided to attack them both. The British Army was made up from people across the UK, English,Scots,Welsh and Irish, and from both Protestant and Catholic backgrounds.

They were there to help, yet suffered many hundreds of fatalities while trying to keep the peace. I'm pretty sure all of the Soldiers would have preferred to have been somewhere else.

Bloody Sunday accounted for the deaths of 14 people out of a total of 3,500 and as a result probably caused the deaths of many more. 21 people died in the Bombings in Birmingham and 2 children died in Warrington. There was no single event that was worse than any other when lives were lost. The 'troubles' as they were sometimes referred to lasted a long time, had many fatalities and a massive number of injured. To pick on a single event and highlight it as a war crime is both incorrect and massively hypocritical. There are people in Political power today who were responsible for many of those deaths and injuries, but the GFA was meant to put it all behind us. A terribly sad time with pain felt by all parties concerned.........

A war crime usually is a single event...

 

[tommye]

You are confusing British and Irish. People in Northern Ireland were and are British as well as being Northern Irish, even those who support the Republicans. The RUC and the Army originally were protecting the Catholic Northern Irish from attacks by Protestant Northern Irish before various paramilitaries decided to attack them both. The British Army was made up from people across the UK, English,Scots,Welsh and Irish, and from both Protestant and Catholic backgrounds.

They were there to help, yet suffered many hundreds of fatalities while trying to keep the peace. I'm pretty sure all of the Soldiers would have preferred to have been somewhere else.

Bloody Sunday accounted for the deaths of 14 people out of a total of 3,500 and as a result probably caused the deaths of many more. 21 people died in the Bombings in Birmingham and 2 children died in Warrington. There was no single event that was worse than any other when lives were lost. The 'troubles' as they were sometimes referred to lasted a long time, had many fatalities and a massive number of injured. To pick on a single event and highlight it as a war crime is both incorrect and massively hypocritical. There are people in Political power today who were responsible for many of those deaths and injuries, but the GFA was meant to put it all behind us. A terribly sad time with pain felt by all parties concerned.........

A war crime usually is a single event...

I have a feeling this won't end well...

 

[peteblue]

A war crime usually is a single event...

Which bit of 'there was no war' do you fail to understand. If there was a war in existence, then the bombings of Birmingham pubs would be war crimes, but there wasn't so they weren't...........

 

[peteblue]

I have a feeling this won't end well...

Indeed......

 

[RaleighBlue]

I have a feeling this won't end well...

Man, and I thought my nonsensical meanderings had gotten us through this too.

 

[dandydan]

You are confusing British and Irish. People in Northern Ireland were and are British as well as being Northern Irish, even those who support the Republicans. The RUC and the Army originally were protecting the Catholic Northern Irish from attacks by Protestant Northern Irish before various paramilitaries decided to attack them both. The British Army was made up from people across the UK, English,Scots,Welsh and Irish, and from both Protestant and Catholic backgrounds.

They were there to help, yet suffered many hundreds of fatalities while trying to keep the peace. I'm pretty sure all of the Soldiers would have preferred to have been somewhere else.

Bloody Sunday accounted for the deaths of 14 people out of a total of 3,500 and as a result probably caused the deaths of many more. 21 people died in the Bombings in Birmingham and 2 children died in Warrington. There was no single event that was worse than any other when lives were lost. The 'troubles' as they were sometimes referred to lasted a long time, had many fatalities and a massive number of injured. To pick on a single event and highlight it as a war crime is both incorrect and massively hypocritical. There are people in Political power today who were responsible for many of those deaths and injuries, but the GFA was meant to put it all behind us. A terribly sad time with pain felt by all parties concerned.........

Slight point of order. The RUC were by no means sympathetic to the catholic population when the army was sent in. The B specials in particular were hated by the soldiers.

 

[peteblue]

Slight point of order. The RUC were by no means sympathetic to the catholic population when the army was sent in. The B specials in particular were hated by the soldiers.

Indeed, the soldiers had no allegiance with either side, were there to help, but still 700 of them died.......

 

[hullefc]

The concentration camps used in the Mau-Mau war in Kenya were as horrific as those used in the Boer War.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/aug/18/uncovering-truth-british-empire-caroline-elkins-mau-mau

Interesting that it took an American to expose the atrocities committed by the British army in Kenya. Even though Barbara Castle picked up the baton in the 1960s, she never saw it through even though she was in the Wilson government.

 

[dandydan]

Indeed, the soldiers had no allegiance with either side, were there to help, but still 700 of them died.......

Ironically it was after the army calmed things down the IRA crawled out from under their rock to turn the Catholics against them for their own twisted ends. Initially the army and Catholics got on fine.

 

[dandydan]

Interesting that it took an American to expose the atrocities committed by the British army in Kenya. Even though Barbara Castle picked up the baton in the 1960s, she never saw it through even though she was in the Wilson government.

Enoch Powell also made a speech in parliment highlighting the mistreatment of the mau mau.

 

[peteblue]

Ironically it was after the army calmed things down the IRA crawled out from under their rock to turn the Catholics against them for their own twisted ends. Initially the army and Catholics got on fine.

Exactly, hence my comment about some current Politicians......

 

[dublinbluenose]

Ironically it was after the army calmed things down the IRA crawled out from under their rock to turn the Catholics against them for their own twisted ends. Initially the army and Catholics got on fine.

I believe that was more to do with a faint hope they were there to enforce their civil rights that were being denied them, brutally at times by the RUC.

 

[peteblue]

Interesting that it took an American to expose the atrocities committed by the British army in Kenya. Even though Barbara Castle picked up the baton in the 1960s, she never saw it through even though she was in the Wilson government.

Perhaps she can now write a book about wiping out the American Plains Indians.........

 

[RaleighBlue]

Perhaps she can now write a book about wiping out the American Plains Indians.........

America has a massive history of war crimes and genocides.

I fail to see how that is remotely relevant to a discussion of the Mau Mau rebellion though.