2017/18 Morgan Schneiderlin

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BlueToff said:
He was given a bit more freedom to push forward.

Wanyama was the sitter
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For me box to box is someone who creates or takes shots and scores goals. Schneiderlin’s best goal tally was 4 goals in his last season of which 3 were from set pieces and 1 was a wondergoal like Valencia vs you guys. His only assist too was from a scramble from a FK.

Southampton didn’t really score a lot of goals when he was there but they were defensively very good mainly because they had 2 CBs and then Schneiderlin and Wanyama ahead to screen.
 

mkrudden said:
With respect and purely imo, what a load of rubbish.
He's slow on the ball, ponderous and shirks responsibility by constantly giving the ball to Williams. The reason there aren't any options ahead of him is because
A) he shows no continuity in his play, those ahead aren't mind readers ffs
B) he doesn't disrupt the opposition by using the space in front of him
C) he takes 4 weeks to make a decision on what he's doing thus the opposition dropping deeper and crowding our advanced players.

You're trying your best to find a way of defending a good player who's just woefully out of form.
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A) Those ahead aren't making good runs/space; Last season they did (at home) and he passed to them
B) Prob a fair criticism. If you mean by carrying the ball forward he prob didn't do that much last season even when he was playing well ??
C) That wasn't a problem last season. He was pinging passes first time all over the place. Shape of the team + movement of others is massively to do with that

As I alluded to above, you can't pass to someone if there is no-one to pass to. Just like Baines can't pass it forward or attack down the left if there io a vacuum of blue shirts in front of him - half the people on here don't seem to understand that either and so think he is finished.

edit: I've just watched some footage of him before he joined us and there is a lot of him fighting for and winning the ball which he doesn't seem to be doing much now.. so something is defo wrong with him
 
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mkrudden said:
With respect and purely imo, what a load of rubbish.
He's slow on the ball, ponderous and shirks responsibility by constantly giving the ball to Williams. The reason there aren't any options ahead of him is because
A) he shows no continuity in his play, those ahead aren't mind readers ffs
B) he doesn't disrupt the opposition by using the space in front of him
C) he takes 4 weeks to make a decision on what he's doing thus the opposition dropping deeper and crowding our advanced players.

You're trying your best to find a way of defending a good player who's just woefully out of form.
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ps - I've just basically repeated myself in my 1st reply to you - so no point getting into a classic internet circular conversation, lets just agree to disagree :)
 

JordanianEmbassy said:
A) Those ahead aren't making good runs/space; Last season they did (at home) and he passed to them
B) Prob a fair criticism. If you mean by carrying the ball forward he prob didn't do that much last season even when he was playing well ??
C) That wasn't a problem last season. He was pinging passes first time all over the place. Shape of the team + movement of others is massively to do with that

As I alluded to above, you can't pass to someone if there is no-one to pass to. Just like Baines can't pass it forward or attack down the left if there io a vacuum of blue shirts in front of him - half the people on here don't seem to understand that either and so think he is finished.

edit: I've just watched some footage of him before he joined us and there is a lot of him fighting for and winning the ball which he doesn't seem to be doing much now.. so something is defo wrong with him
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Watch some footage of us from this season and see how many times he pushes the ball back towards our own goal when he gets it. Not to turn, just getting his body shape in a position where he's taking his first touch and moving backwards. It wouldn't make a difference what runs were being made in front of him in those situations because he wouldn't be able to see them anyway.
 

DannyEvo said:
Pickford.

At times Keane has looked brilliant. Gueye has had some good games too. Rooney has also impressed at times. As has Vlasic.

Next?
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My point is, none of the side are playing particularly well.

Gueye has been pretty gash, doesn't mean he isn't as good as we thought he was. Keane and Pickford have both looked shaky at times as well.

Just don't write a player off. Of his seven months playing time as an Everton player, Schneiderlin has put in more good performances than bad.

He's not found form this season bar one or two games, but it's no more or less than any of them at the moment.
 
He looked good last season at controlling a game tempo when we were ahead, giving a calmness to the team. No such luck this season. He is playing very very safe this season, whether it's a confidence thing aswell as not much happening in front of him.
The biggest difference is that barry always looked for the forward pass and if not would run with it, he doesn't seem to want to do that.
 
I'm ok being patient with him, but at his best, what can we expect? In Pickford, Keane, Lookman, Klassen, Vlasic, Rooney etc, we know what we're hoping for when they come good, and gel with the others, and have some tactics and confidence from the manager, but what do we get for Schneiderlin when he's at his best? At the moment he's not been better than Barry was for us.
 
Lanolin said:
Watch some footage of us from this season and see how many times he pushes the ball back towards our own goal when he gets it. Not to turn, just getting his body shape in a position where he's taking his first touch and moving backwards. It wouldn't make a difference what runs were being made in front of him in those situations because he wouldn't be able to see them anyway.
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And that's hugely to do with confidence, which is the base point.

Schneiderlin and a lot of others are so low on confidence/form that they're taking the safe option. That quickly becomes a habit that's hard to kick until the confidence comes back - it's a vicious cycle.

I've played in midfield myself (not to a massively high level obviously) and when you're low on confidence in that position it's hard to just switch it on, even moreso when nobody around you is making those runs.

Schneiderlin was helped massively last year in that he was able to be gradually eased in and the team was slowly and surely starting to find a system and style of play.

Barkley also gave that option to be a ball-carrying midfielder - something Schneiderlin was never and never will be.

If the movement up top improves, the team will improve. That will lead to a bit more confidence from everybody and then it'll slowly start to turn.

No longer will Schneiderlin's first instinct be backwards. The safe option will become secondary rather than being his - and most others' - first instinct as it is atm.
 
What I would say is look at the first half vs Split and the second half vs Limassol as what we need from Morgan - and examples of him showing what he can do this season.

He dictated play from deep.

Vs Split, he had two wingers stretching the pitch, Gueye bursting forward and Klaassen pressing, with Rooney dropping in every now and then.

Vs Limassol, Gueye went off and MS had the freedom of the area between our defence and the centre circle to get on the ball. He actually did that very well.

It was only when Davies went off and we lost our shape that Limassol improved. That's because there was a huge gulf down our right side, and they exploited that. Not once did they attack down the middle because Schneiderlin had it covered.

It hasn't clicked for him in the main this season though, but he's a quality player.
 

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