2020/21 Moise Kean

[Storm_Cloud]

This lad is a 20 year old in a foreign country and things aren’t working out as he might have hoped on the pitch. Throw in lockdown in a foreign country and you can imagine his state of mind is not 100%.

When you are confident and relaxed you play football (any sport really) differently - you know what you want to do with the ball before you get it and you know things will come off when you try them. Everything is easier with confidence. He is playing like something is on his mind, so the touch suffers and you make slower poorer decisions.

If he gets his mind right then everything else will follow. But like any young player you can’t put him in the team and play him until he deserves to be there - he has to deserve it first. It often takes an injury to an established player for a youngster to get his chance, so if DCL tweaks his hammy and Kean gets a few games then that could be his chance. At the moment he is playing here and there when it doesn’t really matter, no one is counting on him.

Or the spiral may continue and he is not mature enough to work his way through it. We’ll have to see, but I think he is worth persevering with. Not from his current performances, we have to see past that or we will bomb off every player we get who doesn’t do a ”James” and slot straight in with no apparent problems.

 

[neilsyd]

Club fanbase in 'losing their mind over 20 year old kid going through poor form' shocker

Maybe you should read what this club fan base was saying about him, and the media, and this thread perhaps, when we signed him. Just to put all this into context. He’s scored three goals.....and we signed him last August. And he’s not been injured.

 

[Kaiser Soysauce]

This lad is a 20 year old in a foreign country and things aren’t working out as he might have hoped on the pitch. Throw in lockdown in a foreign country and you can imagine his state of mind is not 100%.

When you are confident and relaxed you play football (any sport really) differently - you know what you want to do with the ball before you get it and you know things will come off when you try them. Everything is easier with confidence. He is playing like something is on his mind, so the touch suffers and you make slower poorer decisions.

If he gets his mind right then everything else will follow. But like any young player you can’t put him in the team and play him until he deserves to be there - he has to deserve it first. It often takes an injury to an established player for a youngster to get his chance, so if DCL tweaks his hammy and Kean gets a few games then that could be his chance. At the moment he is playing here and there when it doesn’t really matter, no one is counting on him.

Or the spiral may continue and he is not mature enough to work his way through it. We’ll have to see, but I think he is worth persevering with. Not from his current performances, we have to see past that or we will bomb off every player we get who doesn’t do a ”James” and slot straight in with no apparent problems.

Lock down is lockdown in any country. You can't see anyone anyway. Do what everyone does, zoom/skype etc. Don't throw a lockdown party ffs. He does play like something is on his mind, seemingly everything but Everton. He may come good, but there's something I don't like about the lad. Also, the goal he scored and lack of celebration just wound me up. Looks like a bit of a tosser tbf. It's all about attitude, and his seems rather poor.

 

[royvernon39]

I hope it works out for him at EFC but am pessimistic.

My first question is the Rodwell question. A question, by the way, that Iwobi also fails. What is he?

He is not a number 9, and not a winger, maybe a number 10 but does not seem to be clever enough
to be a supplier of passes. If Calvert-Lewonski comes off Carlo replaces him with Richarlison and sticks him
out on the wing.

By the way, Sandro failed the same question. Walcott, on the other hand, is definitely a winger. A rich winger. Without any interest in playing hard and winning things. He passes the question.

Thank you for reading this. I am stopping.

 

[blueblue]

This lad is a 20 year old in a foreign country and things aren’t working out as he might have hoped on the pitch. Throw in lockdown in a foreign country and you can imagine his state of mind is not 100%.

When you are confident and relaxed you play football (any sport really) differently - you know what you want to do with the ball before you get it and you know things will come off when you try them. Everything is easier with confidence. He is playing like something is on his mind, so the touch suffers and you make slower poorer decisions.

If he gets his mind right then everything else will follow. But like any young player you can’t put him in the team and play him until he deserves to be there - he has to deserve it first. It often takes an injury to an established player for a youngster to get his chance, so if DCL tweaks his hammy and Kean gets a few games then that could be his chance. At the moment he is playing here and there when it doesn’t really matter, no one is counting on him.

Or the spiral may continue and he is not mature enough to work his way through it. We’ll have to see, but I think he is worth persevering with. Not from his current performances, we have to see past that or we will bomb off every player we get who doesn’t do a ”James” and slot straight in with no apparent problems.

The argument you have made is the one I was making twelve months ago.

I certainly think he needed time to settle, he has had twelve months.
DCL is doing so well that he simply cannot be dropped but Kean is not really putting any kind of challenge to DCL which would suggest he should be included.

I certainly would not write Kean off yet, but the signs are not good.
Yes, he is still young but he is also a full international play, even gaining caps last month.

My feeling is that he may have given up on the Premiership and wants to go home.

 

[Lelouch]

The only way he can develop into the player everyone is hoping is if DCL gets dropped imo and I don't see that happening ever, I don't think he's someone who can make a huge impact with 15-20 minutes to go or develop his game that way, His Bournemouth performance was quite good to be fair and I think his qualities and talent are quite plain to see and I would like nothing more than Kean to make it here.
I'm slowly leaning towards the approach of cutting our losses and maybe getting a Giroud/Rondon type who can bring off the bench to impact a game.

 

[Storm_Cloud]

The argument you have made is the one I was making twelve months ago.

I certainly think he needed time to settle, he has had twelve months.
DCL is doing so well that he simply cannot be dropped but Kean is not really putting any kind of challenge to DCL which would suggest he should be included.

I certainly would not write Kean off yet, but the signs are not good.
Yes, he is still young but he is also a full international play, even gaining caps last month.

My feeling is that he may have given up on the Premiership and wants to go home.

You may well be right. It might just be wrong place wrong time for him. If DCL picks up a three / four week injury and he doesn’t step up and realise it is his chance and that the team is relying on him to deliver then maybe he is done here.

 

[Lanolin]

This team selection must surely be a wake up call to some people. He isn’t currently seen as a viable option in his position, it’s not even debatable anymore.

 

[Toffe3m4n]

This team selection must surely be a wake up call to some people. He isn’t currently seen as a viable option in his position, it’s not even debatable anymore.

Think you're reading too much into it mate.

 

[tellmema]

Shame for him. A bit of me hoped to see a decent supply line for him today, to give him a decent shot at it (as it were).
Must be something not right... I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Toffe3m4n]

Shame for him. A bit of me hoped to see a decent supply line for him today, to give him a decent shot at it (as it were).
Must be something not right... I hope I'm wrong.

If something was 'not right' he'd have been left at home. He'll get more minutes tonight.

 

[sageyefc]

Think that’s addio to homie moise

 

[tellmema]

If something was 'not right' he'd have been left at home. He'll get more minutes tonight.

Yeah that for sure. Hoped to see some show of support for him in personnel and perhaps formation to give him the boost he needs. Instead of the few minutes here and there where he feels he needs to do something special or take the roof off the net.
That's why I'm worried something ain't quite right, regards Carlo's trust. Maybe completely wrong though, and hope I am. Despite recent performances, I'm convinced there's a potentially special player there. Just think to compare apples with apples he should have the same / as good as supply as dcl and rico.

 

[Dymak]

He’s been a big disappointment. I don’t think anyone expected him to be worse than Anichebe.

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

If Richy and Calvert Lewin start bright scoring then Moise won't have the world on his back when he comes in and move freely and enjoy his football.