Mo Money Mo Problems

[Blues Harp]

This is Pochetino's 4th season as manager of Spurs he has made a transfer profit in three of those four seasons. Over the last 5 years Spurs have had a total Net spend of £2m compared to our net spend of £90m over that time.

Spurs are probably the best run Club in the Country, we are one of the worst. Surely the answer is being well run, scouting well and being coached well. Those three things allow you to improve with little or no risk. Looking to throw money at things usually ends with a downward spiral.

What have they won then ?

 

[davek]

That really isn't true though Dave. At Southampton Pochetino spent big on the likes of Osvaldo, Lovren and Wanyama in 12/13 they had a net spend of £32.7m and in 13/14 a Net Spend of £36.75m.

Compare that to Koeman and in 14/15m they had a negative Net spend of £24.7m and a Net spend of 2.7m in 15/16.

Pochetino actually had bigger Net spends at Southampton than he has had at Spurs. What he has done at Spurs though is to improve players. Look at the likes of Kyle Walker and Danny Rose who went from being bang average to being amongst the beat full backs in the League. That is what we should be looking to do. Coleman and Baines didn't arrive as superstars here they were nurtured.

We haven't got players left to sell on and we can't keep spending above our means. What we need is patience, faith and above all top coaching.

Pochettino stepped into a club that had done massive spending before he arrived. Since then he's been allowed to sell to buy.

Southampton haven't spent any more than £16M on a player. Thee's been negative net spends at that club for the past four seasons. The writing was on the wall for Pochettino there and he knew that to get on he required a squad already with quality players and some that he could prune and cash in on and spend a lot on players he did want.

 

[roydo]

What have they won then ?

Currently winning the 4th Round FA Cup final at Wembley, 2 0.

Against Newport.

 

[Dabluez]

Pochettino stepped into a club that had done massive spending before he arrived. Since then he's been allowed to sell to buy.

Southampton haven't spent any more than £16M on a player. Thee's been negative net spends at that club for the past four seasons. The writing was on the wall for Pochettino there and he knew that to get on he required a squad already with quality players and some that he could prune and cash in on and spend a lot on players he did want.

Wrong again. Pochetino joined Spurs at the start of the 14/15 season.

13/14 -£16.3m Net Spend.
12/13 -£1.3m Net Spend.
11/12 -£27m Net spend.

 

[davek]

Wrong again. Pochetino joined Spurs at the start of the 14/15 season.

13/14 -£16.3m Net Spend.
12/13 -£1.3m Net Spend.
11/12 -£27m Net spend.

I didn't claim that wasn't the case. I said the last four season;s there's been a big drawing in of horns there and that Pochettino was wise to get off to a club with ambitions....which is why when we get "our Potchettino" we need to keep the cash taps turned on.

 

[Pejic300]

That photo was taken just after Pienaar had escaped from a Perspex box suspended by a crane over Albert Dock.

 

[electricblue]

The problem with all this is we sacked Martinez. If he'd have had Moshri's money we'd now be comfortable within the top 4 and playing beautiful football.

lol he'd have bought 10 Oumars and we'd now be in the Championship.

 

[Simon Buttle]

This is Pochetino's 4th season as manager of Spurs he has made a transfer profit in three of those four seasons. Over the last 5 years Spurs have had a total Net spend of £2m compared to our net spend of £90m over that time.

Spurs are probably the best run Club in the Country, we are one of the worst. Surely the answer is being well run, scouting well and being coached well. Those three things allow you to improve with little or no risk. Looking to throw money at things usually ends with a downward spiral.

Spurs are well run, but unless they change their wage structure they will never get to the very top like they want too. They can have this fantastic stadium in London but won't ever sign the best players because they can't pay for them. Also it's looking likely that Poch may end up at Real Madrid in the summer and that will have a huge impact on what they want to do, basic discussions have apparently happened already.

 

[Dabluez]

I didn't claim that wasn't the case. I said the last four season;s there's been a big drawing in of horns there and that Pochettino was wise to get off to a club with ambitions....which is why when we get "our Potchettino" we need to keep the cash taps turned on.

In the last decade Spurs have spent £8m pounds less on transfers fees than they have received. So quite clearly showing ambition has nothing to do with throwing good money after bad. They have progressed by being well run.

As I showed earlier we simply don't have enough revenues to carry on spending at the rate we are at the moment.

The last time we finished in the top 4 at the end of the 04/05 season the gap between Spurs income and ours was £10m theirs was £70m and ours was £60m. The gap between the two Clubs is now £140m. Even worse if you take out TV revenues their matchday revenues and commercial revenues are three times ours at almost £120m.

If we want to progress without risking the future of the Club then Spurs is the model we should be looking to emulate.

 

[smileychap]

I agree in part with the article (very well written btw). What I really liked about Moyes' tenure is he brought in, through necessity, hard working players who could also play an effective system:
Baines, Coleman, Jags...always favourites of mine. He then threw in some gems on top: Arteta, Pienaar, and we had a team who were competitive but also represented me as a fan the way I would want the players of the club I support to do. I didn't like the football in the main (first kick thumped into the final third) but I was content with it because of the identity of the team.
Under Martinez, I got both in his first season. I had my favourite players playing my favourite brand of football. Everything was possession based which requires, imho, more skill and a better tactical attitude: We will control the game and we will break you down.
At the emirates on Saturday, I just couldn't relate to the team. Sure, Davies and Kenny are ones for the future and local lads playing is fantastic, but there just didnt seem to be any true Everton 'core'. No feisty tackles, no leadership, no bravery (until Tom came on).
It was just Schneiderlin, Williams, Mangala, Bolasie (who I do quite like) and Niasse (plus others) who just don't represent us as well as I think the generation before did. Or the generation before that.
I think in part, this is down to money - having the riches to go out and buy better players with no connection to the club / fans. Yes, @davek is right - it doesn't help when the due diligence on players, their abilities / personalities isn't done correctly. But more than ever, having money means a different type of player and a risk of disconnect.
I think Utd have gone through that as well recently, since Ferguson left.

This.

 

[The binman chronicles]

In the last decade Spurs have spent £8m pounds less on transfers fees than they have received. So quite clearly showing ambition has nothing to do with throwing good money after bad. They have progressed by being well run.

As I showed earlier we simply don't have enough revenues to carry on spending at the rate we are at the moment.

The last time we finished in the top 4 at the end of the 04/05 season the gap between Spurs income and ours was £10m theirs was £70m and ours was £60m. The gap between the two Clubs is now £140m. Even worse if you take out TV revenues their matchday revenues and commercial revenues are three times ours at almost £120m.

If we want to progress without risking the future of the Club then Spurs is the model we should be looking to emulate.

Spurs wasted a load of money to start with so we are copying step by step.

 

[Berenger]

We had a manager who suited our identity quite well: Koeman. The problem has been the terrible recruitment.

Confident we'll work it out eventually though, and these things can turn quickly.

 

[Abraders]

Martinez had financial hardship?????

He spent £28m on a centreforward, nearly doubling our transfer record.




No it hasn't ffs. The misuse of it, maybe. But being financially more healthy is not a negative.

We sold fellaini for 28 and signed lukaku with it

 

[anjelikaferrett]

"I don’t recognise the club today. This is not the Everton I have come to know. Shallow, short-termist and ugly, Everton under Allardyce and Walsh are an embarrassment. Our club used to do things differently, used to be a shining example to others of what could be done without the backing of Russian billionaires, Middle Eastern sheiks or American hedge funds. It used to be something to be proud of.

We might have money today but that doesn’t mean we have to give up what once made us so impressive. We need that old Everton back. Because if we don’t, not only do we risk losing our identity, we also run the risk of becoming the Sunderland of tomorrow."

This. By the bucketload. Great piece.

 

[smileychap]

this is a great piece,lots of good points which capture the feelings of blues.

The subsequent Spurs comparisons are interesting, too. They moved quickly through a sequence of managers (and signings) before finding Poch, and I think looked enviously and learned from Everton in the same period.

That cycle from Everton has nearly closed now and it's no surprise we're still lauding a Moyes era hero as the model we want across the squad again. That is critical for our young guns to build the right mentality.

Like spurs we also have a stadium project ongoing but critically we do not have their dynamic leadership at board or mgt level.

Moshiri has a huge challenge there which he cannot be expected to fix instantly.

I think he needs to lose kenwright, Walsh and others with no new ideas and bring in a younger manager he trusts and can support.

As fans we have to back him and the team. I understand why people attack Alladyce, and even as a non-hater I see he's not for us, but we have to isolate that from dragging down our young and developing team, that is growing within an exciting new Everton project.