Mo Money Mo Problems

[Steve Wigan]

I'd be terrible at that format.

I'm far better passing comment on the efforts of others in two short paragraphs of roughly the same word length.

Nothing wrong with that DAve, sometimes throwing a few stones can be more effective than the sermon on the mount....

 

[davek]

The problem with all this is we sacked Martinez. If he'd have had Moshri's money we'd now be comfortable within the top 4 and playing beautiful football.

Is the right answer.

 

[GwladysBlue]

On first glance I thought this was a thread about Mo Marley, our former Ladies manager.

 

[Dabluez]

I get that people hanker after the bargains that eventually go on to make players bought by other club's with outrages fees seem like poor value (Coleman even had a song named after the process), but there's no reason we cant still do that AND spend more than we have in the last 12 months. The key is to find a man who has a vision to blend a team that finds places in it for both.

IMO, the OP has touched on a co-incidence of terrible form and big spending. But that's all it is: a coincidence. It's like saying you wont go out ever again on a Sunday because bad things happened to you on a few Sundays. If we dont continue to find spending levels over and above the pack at the back of us in this league we'll plummet.

Where does the money come from though.

Mosh can't continue to bankroll us because FFP simply won't allow it. The Club has to generate more income to keep up with the wage bill and the annual amortisation payments for the players we have signed.

The vast majority of our income comes from TV revenue. For the 16/17 season it was 76% of our income. We earned £14.5m from match day income, £26.2m from commercial deals and a whopping £130.5m from TV money. The thing is everyone in the Premier League earns those kind of sums from TV as indicated by the likes of Southampton, Leicester and West Ham having big incomes than us last season.

So please explain how we can spend more than Clubs that earn more than we do and comply with FFP ?

 

[davek]

Nothing wrong with that DAve, sometimes throwing a few stones can be more effective than the sermon on the mount....

Know your limitations. My motto.

 

[davek]

On first glance I thought this was a thread about Mo Marley, our former Ladies manager.

Mo, it's mot.

 

[davek]

Where does the money come from though.
Mosh can't continue to bankroll us because FFP simply won't allow it. The Club has to generate more income to keep up with the wage bill and the annual amortisation payments for the players we have signed.
The vast majority of our income comes from TV revenue. For the 16/17 season it was 76% of our income. We earned £14.5m from match day income, £26.2m from commercial deals and a whopping £130.5m from TV money. The thing is everyone in the Premier League earns those kind of sums from TV as indicated by the likes of Southampton, Leicester and West Ham having big incomes than us last season.
So please explain how we can spend more than Clubs that earn more than we do and comply with FFP ?

That wasn't what I said.

 

[N.S.N.O.]

Martinez had financial hardship?????

He spent £28m on a centreforward, nearly doubling our transfer record.

Its funny how quickly the market has changed... At the time 28m for lukaku seemed alot of money....now you'd barely sign a homeless guy for 28m...

Also typical of our luck too that we finally get some financial boost and the transfer market goes mental, so we still cant compete

 

[BrendanGOT]

My opinion on DoF's are that they are another unnecessary level of bureaucracy at a club of this size and a barrier to efficiency and clear strategy.

I'm in favour of a DoF if they actually do what a DoF is supposed to do, e.g. choosing a style and philosophy for the club to follow from the youth teams to the first team (Martinez, for all his flaws, actually started something similar with an eye on the future), followed by recruiting coaches, management and senior and youth players to suit the philosophy. Steve Walsh seems to pick the best from the teams below us and the unwanted from the teams above us and hopes it will all gel without factoring in attitudes and a style of play so of course, it isn't working.

 

[Eggs]

My opinion on DoF's are that they are another unnecessary level of bureaucracy at a club of this size and a barrier to efficiency and clear strategy.

..I can see the logic, allowing the manager more time to work on the training ground. The difficulty for me is that it’s not an appointment that can be made in isolation, he needs to form an harmonious partnership with the manager.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

My opinion on DoF's are that they are another unnecessary level of bureaucracy at a club of this size and a barrier to efficiency and clear strategy.

Thought it was ridiculous how Koeman and Walsh both had to agree on a player either had suggested, surely that should be down to the manager, and the manager alone.

 

[davek]

Thought it was ridiculous how Koeman and Walsh both had to agree on a player either had suggested, surely that should be down to the manager, and the manager alone.

Worked for years for the most part here when we valued giving time to managers.

I can see how it may be necessary at clubs with more pressing matters of winning trophies each year that you'd have that division of labour and how - in the rapid hiring and firing that winning environment gives rise the need - is probably needed for a club identity to be held onto. We aren't at that scale for it to make sense, imo.

 

[Agent Blue]

The problem with all this is we sacked Martinez. If he'd have had Moshri's money we'd now be comfortable within the top 4 and playing beautiful football.

Can't agree there i'm afraid.
I just remember how frustrating it was watching us give up two goal leads regularly, and how he stuck with Alcaraz and Howard week after week, much like Schneiderlin getting regular game time now. We always looked dangerous going forward but were absolutely terrible defensively, something that Martinez and all the subsequent managers have failed to address. Get rid of Walsh asap and maybe sound Wenger out.

 

[davek]

I'm in favour of a DoF if they actually do what a DoF is supposed to do, e.g. choosing a style and philosophy for the club to follow from the youth teams to the first team (Martinez, for all his flaws, actually started something similar with an eye on the future), followed by recruiting coaches, management and senior and youth players to suit the philosophy. Steve Walsh seems to pick the best from the teams below us and the unwanted from the teams above us and hopes it will all gel without factoring in attitudes and a style of play so of course, it isn't working.

I concede we haven't had the best introduction to the post at EFC, as Walsh has been a weak character (and allowed to be here by Koeman for that reason, iMO). However, as explained above, we need to understand that a club of our fairly limited horizons atm dont require one. It's just not required and we need a single voice to get things back on track...the single voice being an astute manager and coach combined.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I don't actually think we do have a lot of money. It seems like we do because we're spending what appear to be huge sums, but if you compare what we spend with what other clubs are spending on players, it puts us into a more realistic position.

I mean £20 million for Keane seems like a lot of money, but when you compare it with the £75 million Liverpool spent on van Dijk it puts it into perspective. In those terms, it's not a million miles from the sums we spent on Joleon Lescott versus that paid for the likes of Rio Ferdinand at the time. So in reality, we're not signing players of a higher quality than the Jagielka/Baines era, we're just paying a lot more money for them.