Mo Money Mo Problems

[NilSatisOptimum]

One full season of modest transfer investment compared to current top six, we still have some way to go before we are even catching up with them in spending terms. Still reckon we will finish above Burnley and Leicester and thats about right.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

You'd be naive to think finance/resource is infinite.

Equally, that a change of tact couldn't contribute towards a longer term downfall. See: Leeds United. (Remember Portsmouth/QPR could outbid us on wages etc)

Having less resource but using it well can be better than having more resource and pissing it away.

 

[Dabluez]

Owners can only really invest in the short term after that it is down to how much income the Club generates because FFP limits the amount owners can put in.

Right now is the crucial period were the extra investment needs to generate extra income and simply isn't happening. In fact it is almost certain that we will go backwards in terms of income because of the lack of European football next season.

 

[Saint Domingo]

I agree in part with the article (very well written btw). What I really liked about Moyes' tenure is he brought in, through necessity, hard working players who could also play an effective system:
Baines, Coleman, Jags...always favourites of mine. He then threw in some gems on top: Arteta, Pienaar, and we had a team who were competitive but also represented me as a fan the way I would want the players of the club I support to do. I didn't like the football in the main (first kick thumped into the final third) but I was content with it because of the identity of the team.
Under Martinez, I got both in his first season. I had my favourite players playing my favourite brand of football. Everything was possession based which requires, imho, more skill and a better tactical attitude: We will control the game and we will break you down.
At the emirates on Saturday, I just couldn't relate to the team. Sure, Davies and Kenny are ones for the future and local lads playing is fantastic, but there just didnt seem to be any true Everton 'core'. No feisty tackles, no leadership, no bravery (until Tom came on).
It was just Schneiderlin, Williams, Mangala, Bolasie (who I do quite like) and Niasse (plus others) who just don't represent us as well as I think the generation before did. Or the generation before that.
I think in part, this is down to money - having the riches to go out and buy better players with no connection to the club / fans. Yes, @davek is right - it doesn't help when the due diligence on players, their abilities / personalities isn't done correctly. But more than ever, having money means a different type of player and a risk of disconnect.
I think Utd have gone through that as well recently, since Ferguson left.

Baines and Coleman have at their peaks been some of the best full backs in Europe and certainly the prem (Coleman prob still is one of the best in the prem). They are probably Moyes’ greatest buys and the best in the prem era from us. Jags Arteta Pienaar Cahill Lescott Stones also inspired recruitment.

 

[brieverton]

We all want more cash spent, and our net spend is still relatively modest, but we can't afford to waste more money. We are not a club with elite-level resources, and even if we were, FFP would put a stop to it.

This is the biggest issue facing the club now at all levels - a succession of managers and players, each one reflecting in yet more stark terms the degree of failure we have seen over the last 2 years.

I'm not for austerity, but I would actually take a certain and illogical comfort from it if the manager / DOF of the day were forced to stop treating the clubs resources with contempt. We see this now again with Tosun, he isn't ready, it will take him weeks to adapt etc etc. Why? It isnt an absolute given and never should be, particularly considering we were crying out for a striker for months.

We certainly need more players, but the next manager will have to, at least initially, try to get a tune out of the bulk of players already here.

This is why I now agree with those calling for a new manager and DOF ready to be in place as soon as possible in the summer. Our core issues are football ones, so if needs be, board-level changes can wait.

What I really want to see, and soon, is decisiveness from Moshiri. If and when we are safe, he needs to call out this season as unacceptable and something that he, and the board, will never again accept. We are carrying passengers left right and centre, at all levels.

 

[Blues Harp]

Baines and Coleman have at their peaks been some of the best full backs in Europe and certainly the prem (Coleman prob still is one of the best in the prem). They are probably Moyes’ greatest buys and the best in the prem era from us. Jags Arteta Pienaar Cahill Lescott Stones also inspired recruitment.

Indeed...which doesn't say much about the clowns we've had since then.

 

[Eggs]

Money isn't the problem, hiring clueless managers who know f.a. about football or footballers is. And let's not forget, we've seen just three windows when cash was spent, as the first of the Moshiri era we had a negative net spend.

...not to mention the DoF.

 

[Bungle]

Two other recent examples of clubs that have behaved in a similar manner, buckling with the arrival of cash, are Aston Villa and Sunderland.

I think the comparison with QPR would be a better one, an over zealous knobhead lashing stupid money at average players for the sake of making big money signings.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Money isn't the problem. Letting incompetent crooks spend it abysmally and then letting them assume untouchable positions in the club hierarchy is the problem.

 

[Steve Wigan]

I agree in part with the article (very well written btw). What I really liked about Moyes' tenure is he brought in, through necessity, hard working players who could also play an effective system:
Baines, Coleman, Jags...always favourites of mine. He then threw in some gems on top: Arteta, Pienaar, and we had a team who were competitive but also represented me as a fan the way I would want the players of the club I support to do. I didn't like the football in the main (first kick thumped into the final third) but I was content with it because of the identity of the team.
Under Martinez, I got both in his first season. I had my favourite players playing my favourite brand of football. Everything was possession based which requires, imho, more skill and a better tactical attitude: We will control the game and we will break you down.
At the emirates on Saturday, I just couldn't relate to the team. Sure, Davies and Kenny are ones for the future and local lads playing is fantastic, but there just didnt seem to be any true Everton 'core'. No feisty tackles, no leadership, no bravery (until Tom came on).
It was just Schneiderlin, Williams, Mangala, Bolasie (who I do quite like) and Niasse (plus others) who just don't represent us as well as I think the generation before did. Or the generation before that.
I think in part, this is down to money - having the riches to go out and buy better players with no connection to the club / fans. Yes, @davek is right - it doesn't help when the due diligence on players, their abilities / personalities isn't done correctly. But more than ever, having money means a different type of player and a risk of disconnect.
I think Utd have gone through that as well recently, since Ferguson left.

Your piece is better written than the original article,which was just a long winged way of expressing a simple opinion...an editor with any nous would have trimmed it down to a headline or about four lines. I don't know Mr.Keoghan, nor can I find any other posts from him, he joined the forum in September and was 'last seen' on that day.
A fair bit of the transfer money spent on what we consider 'duds;' will be recouped when we sell these players,and the loss that Moshiri will take, he will put down to the cost of experience. 'Top clubs' continually get transfers wrong, and spend fortunes on players who prove not to be the right fit for them...it does not only happen at Everton. ROI on big(relative to budget) purchases can sometimes be crippling,for a while, but when the right purchase is made, it can put your team/club a lot higher in the meritocracy.
Its not easy to 'get it right' first time,or even second time, but eventually the right players will come in, or be developed.
I never liked Moyes as a manager personally, but can see that some would consider him 'successful' simply because expectancy was lower. It will take us some time to achieve the position of Manchester City.....financially we start a long way behind them,and it took them quite a few years to get were they are, and quite a few changes of manager/coach.
At 76 years of age and having watched Everton for close to 70 years,it might seem odd that I am preaching patience, the one thing football supporters never have, but I am !! COYB.

 

[davek]

I genuinely don't understand it David. What do people want us to do, start wearing a hairshirt and give all the money back? Don't hugely expect that to coincide with an upturn in performance.

I get that people hanker after the bargains that eventually go on to make players bought by other club's with outrages fees seem like poor value (Coleman even had a song named after the process), but there's no reason we cant still do that AND spend more than we have in the last 12 months. The key is to find a man who has a vision to blend a team that finds places in it for both.

IMO, the OP has touched on a co-incidence of terrible form and big spending. But that's all it is: a coincidence. It's like saying you wont go out ever again on a Sunday because bad things happened to you on a few Sundays. If we dont continue to find spending levels over and above the pack at the back of us in this league we'll plummet.

 

[davek]

...not to mention the DoF.

My opinion on DoF's are that they are another unnecessary level of bureaucracy at a club of this size and a barrier to efficiency and clear strategy.

 

[BrendanGOT]

@davek you should write an article mate, Mo-Shiri Mo Problems

 

[davek]

@davek you should write an article mate, Mo-Shiri Mo Problems

I'd be terrible at that format.

I'm far better passing comment on the efforts of others in two short paragraphs of roughly the same word length.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

The problem with all this is we sacked Martinez. If he'd have had Moshri's money we'd now be comfortable within the top 4 and playing beautiful football.