Current Affairs Met Police

[PhilM]

Yes - if they were all armed, a bloke armed with a sword attacking random members of the public, colleagues and who had the sword raised as they confronted him would clearly pose a lethal level of risk to them and anyone nearby.

As such they’d be justified in using lethal force to stop him.

It would be similar to the shooting here of Andrew Kernan back in ‘01. He was in an aggressive and agitate stated and CS gas didn’t work.

He came at a prone officer with a raised samurai sword, so he was shot. It was regrettable that a man died, and more so an unwell one….

… but in the circumstances it was justifiable. Likewise, we have a dead boy here and two cops seriously injured, so he’d have been justifiably shot.

 

[Mr. White]

What a very sad situation to be choosing to have a go with. How come the murderer with the sword only got tasered, yet unarmed Chris Kaba was shot dead?

Do tasers work through windscreens?

 

[Rita_Poon]

Do tasers work through windscreens?

Why wasn't the murderer shot dead, it's not like active patrols of London by armed officers aren't rolling 24 hours a day.

 

[PhilM]

Why wasn't the murderer shot dead, it's not like active patrols of London by armed officers aren't rolling 24 hours a day.

The Met covers over, 600sq miles, with roughly 2,000 officers in total able to carry firearms.

Now, take away Royalty and Specialist Command, the Parliamentary and Diplomatic Protection Command from those numbers and CT-SFO.

Before you know it, you're talking about a total of a few hundred officers, with these having to work across shift times, rest days, illness and whatnot.

You then have to consider how the officers are distributed, with key locations taking precedence - central London, areas of higher crime etc etc.

How many firearms officers are going to be in close proximately of Hainault, at 7am? Not many. So, first responders (beat officers) would likely be the first to attend.

With risk to life, they have to respond and get stuck in.

 

[Rita_Poon]

With risk to life, they have to respond and get stuck in.

I believe that's the duty of the job they signed up for.

 

[PhilM]

I believe that's the duty of the job they signed up for.

It is, and I’m not suggesting otherwise. In the circumstances, the officers who first responded have a duty to intervene rather than wait for armed officers.

My point was a response to your incorrect assessment that seemed to imply that armed officers would be in close proximity to respond.

 

[Rita_Poon]

It is, and I’m not suggesting otherwise. In the circumstances, the officers who first responded have a duty to intervene rather than wait for armed officers.

My point was a response to your incorrect assessment that seemed to imply that armed officers would be in close proximity to respond.

There are armed response units on the streets at all hours, how close they were is another matter. Hainault is between Romsford and Chigwell so not central London as such. I'm surprised in 30+ minutes the real deal couldn't have arrived.

Spoiler: swerve it - link to investigations into deaths involving our sainted police.

And I didn't think I could start the day any more depressed.

INQUEST responds to sharp increase in deaths involving police

28 July 2023

www.inquest.org.uk

 

[Jebus_lives]

Do tasers work through windscreens?

Does a sword?

 

[Jebus_lives]

I thought this was an excellent statement from the police.

 

[tsubaki]

There are armed response units on the streets at all hours, how close they were is another matter. Hainault is between Romsford and Chigwell so not central London as such. I'm surprised in 30+ minutes the real deal couldn't have arrived.

Spoiler: swerve it - link to investigations into deaths involving our sainted police.

And I didn't think I could start the day any more depressed.

INQUEST responds to sharp increase in deaths involving police

28 July 2023

www.inquest.org.uk

It wasn’t 30+ minutes, it was 22 minutes from the start to the cops detaining him.

As for the travelling time, that sounds like you’ve never been to London because getting there as quickly as they did at the start of rush hour was some piece of driving.

 

[Rita_Poon]

It wasn’t 30+ minutes, it was 22 minutes from the start to the cops detaining him.

As for the travelling time, that sounds like you’ve never been to London because getting there as quickly as they did at the start of rush hour was some piece of driving.

They've got sirens for starters. And had he been armed with a firearm the response required is the armed response unit.

 

[tsubaki]

They've got sirens for starters. And had he been armed with a firearm the response required is the armed response unit.

Again, I think you are suffering from not knowing London traffic here.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Again, I think you are suffering from not knowing London traffic here.

I'm also blinkered in other areas.

 

[tsubaki]

I'm also blinkered in other areas.

Certainly if you think going east during the rush hour is something that could be done really quickly. The *local* cops have a 15 minute target from the 999 call being answered to get on scene, for those further afield (especially if they were in town) it’s going to take longer.

 

[slipstream86]

Do people really believe the Police intentionally decided not to act with more force and sooner because the suspect running around with a sword attacking people was not black?