Hinchcliffe's Corner
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You'll only get compliments from me on your stance even if I disagree with it, because it's something you're passionate about and not a grift unlike some others in other CA threads mate.
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Hinchcliffe's Corner
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Yep a fair comment and one that is not exclusive to the police though, I've mentioned in other threads that racism, gammonism (I've made that up and I'm claiming it) and the like are sadly still very prevalent among the white western world population. The only cure is literally for it and them is to die out, and future generations to "heal the world" as Davek put it (not MJ). I have a lot of faith in the youth of today, I hope it's not misguided.
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NilSatisOptimum
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Clearly its not murder. Then when I read the judge would not allow lesser charges to be brought into consideration, its murder or nothing, I ask myself why? And believe comes down to legal definitions of what fits murder.
This is where the notion of corruption stems from, myself agree the justice system is a ass. Have little faith in the police and courts on either side i happen to be in.
Lapeno77
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Think it's the nature of the action taken by the Police Officer. It was a headshot.
The question becomes was it justified and in the minds of the jury, they believe yes.
NilSatisOptimum
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My issue is why judge would only allow murder to be considered by jury. Myself strongly believe that was done purposely knowing full well a jury following the definitions of murder would never conclude "guilty". There were other charges that could be considered by jury often are in other cases.
So I don’t know , others in this thread seem better informed, is it really common for judges to allow alternative charges during the trial ?
that feels like the issue might be the cps overcharged in the first place . What I did find interesting is that no application appears to have been made to have the case chucked at halfway so it seems for all the talk of he shouldn’t have been charged there was a strong enough case to take it to the jury .
To the best of my knowledge, I`ve never heard of alternative charges being introduced mid trial, before the trial, yes - normally a lesser offence, as part of a plea deal, to avoid dragging witnesses to court or putting fragile witnesses through the ordeal of giving evidence.
Murder is quite a simple offence really, but can be difficult to prove, as there has to be either an admission, a clear intent to kill or the actions of the defendant where so reckless, that there could only have been one possible outcome - death.
For instance, if someone hit another person square in the head with something like an axe and the person died, it would be difficult to argue that other than in self defence ( the other person had an axe etc ) that hitting someone square in the head with an axe, could only lead to one outcome, even if the person swinging the axe says that they didn`t mean to kill the other person.
If the same person, hit the other person over the head with a plank of wood and the person died, the defendant would have a strong case to argue that he didn`t mean to kill the other person, just hurt him, as he only hit the other person, with a plank of wood, which wouldn`t normally be enough to kill someone.
In the case of the policeman, he`s argued successfully, that even though he shot the lad through the window, which met the evidential test for intending to kill him, he was in fear of his life and therefore it was justified.
Lapeno77
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You can't shoot someone in the head and claim you didn't expect them to die from it, so that would take the lesser charges out of the equation.
The judge, from the evidence presented has ruled that the officer with his training, intended to kill. The death almost becomes an irrelevant point, it's whether there is enough evidence to suggest the officer had no other option but to kill him.
The CPS charged him with murder - they didn't originally even consider manslaughter, which in reality would have probably been the more reasonable change.
Only a fair distance through the trial, after a prepared statement made by Blake, did the CPS change their stance and ask the judge to consider the lesser charge.
If they'd asked the judge originally, they would have probably got it; however, the judge didn't take too kindly to them asking for a change due to one sentence.
Less about intending to kill, but rather the probability of the outcome being above the threshold. The officer aims for the largest body mass.
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