SteKelly
Player Valuation: £35m
If our players do not believe they can win, they won't win. Have you played footy or any sport? If you believe you will have a better chance. fact
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Talent has a little to do with it, like.
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If only Bill had taken folks 'good wishes' literally before he'd gone on stage.
bluemantis
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So why didn't city win then if all it takes to win is belive?
Coz am betting they believed they where going to win.
deipnosophist
Player Valuation: £80m
I don't believe we would lol
toffee matt
Player Valuation: £60m
Might as well give it a try.lol When Barkley scores a last minute winner at Stamford bridge next season, it will be down to the fact he saw a massive banner telling him to believe.
#believe
dead_soft
Player Valuation: £35m
But it's not just about belief, is it? It's about 20 years of coaching, talent, a huge back room staff that tells you whether a player likes to play by cutting inside or if he'll try and crops early, it's about diet, it's about your training facilities.
Now and again, one of those things is motivation and belief but that's a very small part in very small instances. Even if you believe, if the other team doesn't give much of a toss but is better than you and plays at their best, they will win. We all love the story, about the plucky underdog who just tried his hardest, ran a bit faster, tackled a bit harder, going on to win against the big boys. But it doesn't happen often. That's why we like it, because it's the rare occurrence that turns the expected on its head and gives a little bit of belief that force and money doesn't win. But generally it does.
This is basically a long winded way of saying, Wigan are worse than City and this (and yes, in the final two) was their rare occurrence. Everton didn't lose on Saturday because they didn't believe, they lost because Arsenal were better at football. It's frustrating, it really is, but pluck on its own doesn't win most teams anything at all.
11 years of Moyes has this squad in backfoot mode against the big teams - the ones he feared..
Our away record under Moyes - leading away to big sides..
Arsenal
2001-02 leading 2-1 lose 3-4 (2-4 plus a consolation goal for us in the last minute)
2004-05 leading 1-0 in League Cup - lose 1-3
2006-07 leading 1-0 draw 1-1
2009-10 leading 1-0 and 2-1 - draw 2-2
2010-11 leading 1-0 lose 1-2
Chelsea
2006-07 leading 1-0 draw 1-1
2008-09 FA Cup Final - leading 1-0 lose 1-2
2009-10 leading 1-0 draw 3-3
Liverpool
2008-09 FA Cup - lead 1-0 drew 1-1
2010-11 lead 2-1 drew 2-2
2011-12 FA Cup Semi - lead 1-0 lost 1-2
Man Utd
2004-05 lead 1-0 drew 1-1
2011-12 Lead 1-0 drew 4-4 (the microcosm of the whole theme - given a lead that was lost but found the guts to get a point from a 2 goal deficit)
The point is - like our bad starts to the season - Moyes thrived in adversity - getting something from nothing. Give him something to hang onto (a lead, a good start to the season) and it nearly always went pear-shaped.
There - against those 4 opponents under Moyes we lead THIRTEEN times and won NONE, drawing 8 times and LOSING 5 times.. The combined goal tally from a winning position to the final whistle being
Everton 6 Opponents 25
2 goals up.. you got to kidding me haven't you?
Our away record under Moyes - leading away to big sides..
Arsenal
2001-02 leading 2-1 lose 3-4 (2-4 plus a consolation goal for us in the last minute)
2004-05 leading 1-0 in League Cup - lose 1-3
2006-07 leading 1-0 draw 1-1
2009-10 leading 1-0 and 2-1 - draw 2-2
2010-11 leading 1-0 lose 1-2
Chelsea
2006-07 leading 1-0 draw 1-1
2008-09 FA Cup Final - leading 1-0 lose 1-2
2009-10 leading 1-0 draw 3-3
Liverpool
2008-09 FA Cup - lead 1-0 drew 1-1
2010-11 lead 2-1 drew 2-2
2011-12 FA Cup Semi - lead 1-0 lost 1-2
Man Utd
2004-05 lead 1-0 drew 1-1
2011-12 Lead 1-0 drew 4-4 (the microcosm of the whole theme - given a lead that was lost but found the guts to get a point from a 2 goal deficit)
The point is - like our bad starts to the season - Moyes thrived in adversity - getting something from nothing. Give him something to hang onto (a lead, a good start to the season) and it nearly always went pear-shaped.
There - against those 4 opponents under Moyes we lead THIRTEEN times and won NONE, drawing 8 times and LOSING 5 times.. The combined goal tally from a winning position to the final whistle being
Everton 6 Opponents 25
2 goals up.. you got to kidding me haven't you?
deipnosophist
Player Valuation: £80m
Not sure what Ross' literacy levels are like but he might see that sign and be thinking 'who's this bloke lieve and why should I be him' . He might in fact over think things and miss the shot ffs! lol
SteKelly
Player Valuation: £35m
Yeah it does.
Barkley will NEVER score a winner at Stamford Bridge.
toffee matt
Player Valuation: £60m
He will ste... but it will be for chelsea
deipnosophist
Player Valuation: £80m
Someone needs to make a big banner saying 'Believe, Ste' lol
deipnosophist
Player Valuation: £80m
...we should get butters to make it lol
SteKelly
Player Valuation: £35m
Are you saying that wigan players don't believe they can win when they played in the final and when they went to Stoke away last day to stay up ect? [Poor language removed] clueless you lad. Obviously ability is important but Believing you can win is VERY important also.
I'm telling you right now, our players do not believe we can win at anfield.
deipnosophist
Player Valuation: £80m
No Ste, actually I was just having a laugh. Lighten up mate, you'll get ulcers
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