Martinez Out?

[wiggum23]

I go back to the point I've been hammering away on all this season: he failed to take apart the Moyes' era team last summer (or start to). He's fallen for the mistake of thinking he could adapt even further the players passed down to him from the previous regime. That's the area he has to address in the summer: get his own players in who can play the system he wants. He's rightly bemoaned the absence of possession based players like Osman and Pienaar this season...but that goes back to his summer inactivity: they should have both been down the road and their successors brought in. All that negligence has impacted on team selection and force fitting players into strange positions.

It's well within grasp, a recovery. Even now we play some very tidy stuff but we're lame in making it tell.

It's a personnel issue, not a methodological one.

I tell you what: we get rid of Martinez and some neanderthal to replace him at our peril. Moyes was killing morale before he went with his style...it was only the knowledge that he'd be off pretty soon that made the last few seasons tolerable to live with.

'Be careful what you wish' for is the old adage.

Fair enough, but didn't the players passed down to him by Moyes get us to, with the help of Martinez, our best points total. Why not just carry on the style of last year, whilst looking to gradually overhaul the squad.

I like RM, I want him to be a success, like most fair minded fans, my question of him is why has he discarded last seasons successful, direct, fast paced attacking football for a slow plodding pass to death method. I just don't get it

 

[technojoe]

Fair enough, but didn't the players passed down to him by Moyes get us to, with the help of Martinez, our best points total. Why not just carry on the style of last year, whilst looking to gradually overhaul the squad.

I like RM, I want him to be a success, like most fair minded fans, my question of him is why has he discarded last seasons successful, direct, fast paced attacking football for a slow plodding pass to death method. I just don't get it

I think the players fitness levels are drastically lower than last season.........

 

[bluemangroup]

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results
Martinez: doing the same thing over and over again and not getting results

Tedium: seeing the same Einstein quote over and over again as a result of Everton losing.

 

[bluewally]

Tedium: seeing the same Einstein quote over and over again as a result of Everton losing.

Tedium: seeing the same Everton performance over and over again despite Everton losing

 

[bluemangroup]

Tedium: seeing the same Everton performance over and over again despite Everton losing

Not enough to get rid yet. Frustrating admittedly, but not enough.

 

[bluewally]

Not enough to get rid yet. Frustrating admittedly, but not enough.

I have a question. What is enough?

How long do you persevere before you start to entertain the idea of Martinez going?

If we haven't won by which of the below games?

Mar 4 - Stoke
Mar 14 - Newcastle
Mar 21 - QPR
Apr 4 -Southampton
Apr 11 - Swansea City
Apr 18 -Burnley FC
Apr 26 -Man United
May 2 - Aston Villa
May 9 -Sunderland

 

[bluewally]

Stoke better not ruin my birthday

 

[davek]

Fair enough, but didn't the players passed down to him by Moyes get us to, with the help of Martinez, our best points total. Why not just carry on the style of last year, whilst looking to gradually overhaul the squad.

I like RM, I want him to be a success, like most fair minded fans, my question of him is why has he discarded last seasons successful, direct, fast paced attacking football for a slow plodding pass to death method. I just don't get it

Do you really think he'd abandon his own successful style for this?

Poor individual form and injuries and his own poor summer transfer window account for the change in the way we play.

 

[bluemangroup]

I have a question. What is enough?

How long do you persevere before you start to entertain the idea of Martinez going?

If we haven't won by which of the below games?

Mar 4 - Stoke
Mar 14 - Newcastle
Mar 21 - QPR
Apr 4 -Southampton
Apr 11 - Swansea City
Apr 18 -Burnley FC
Apr 26 -Man United
May 2 - Aston Villa
May 9 -Sunderland

Depends how the league looks comparitively really doesnt it? Additionally it doesnt really matter what I think, its down to Kenwright.

 

[bluewally]

Depends how the league looks comparitively really doesnt it? Additionally it doesnt really matter what I think, its down to Kenwright.

Ah come on

Just for kicks

 

[bluemangroup]

Ah come on

Just for kicks

I dont like having fun really mate.

 

[joey_macmo]

What I dont understand is that many of the people who had a go at Moyes & Neville for the plucky little everton tag are the ones who seem to be happy with just staying up.

 

[deipnosophist]

Everton, in the PL, have not performed to my pre season expectations. But if we can compete with Stoke (and maybe nick a point off these high fliers), I will be overjoyed. Such is the extent to which my expectations have been brilliantly downwards managed this season.

 

[Thuck ma Baws]

What I dont understand is that many of the people who had a go at Moyes & Neville for the plucky little everton tag are the ones who seem to be happy with just staying up.

I think you're missing the point which is, to me at least, that although staying up is far from acceptable on a ongoing basis a transition is needed for all new managers. If Martinez goes now and a new manager is brought in then his transition might see us in the same position, so what then; sack him too. The cycle is endless unless you have some degree of patience.

 

[Toffeelover]

Do you really think he'd abandon his own successful style for this?

I take it you mean last season Dave because his style this season has not been successful and why? because it is not the same style. But if you did not mean that, where has his style been successful?