Martinez Out?

MARTINEZ OUT?

  • YES

    Votes: 250 46.5%

  • NO

    Votes: 288 53.5%
  • Total voters
    538
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Allezfan said:
I agree.

I want better football than we got under Moyes and Smith. We got that last year, and I was delighted, we haven't got that this (consistently anyway) and I'm less delighted.
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Which is my position.

We know we hit the buffers this season. We hit the buffers because Martinez didn't bring in the players who could adapt to a changed attitude from our opposition. He has to be given time and funding to get back on track. What worries me is that the hoofball lovers who loved the Moyes period are intent on turning the clock back to the Jurassic period. They cant be allowed to kill us like that.
 

davek said:
Which is my position.

We know we hit the buffers this season. We hit the buffers because Martinez didn't bring in the players who could adapt to a changed attitude from our opposition. He has to be given time and funding to get back on track. What worries me is that the hoofball lovers who loved the Moyes period are intent on turning the clock back to the Jurassic period. They cant be allowed to kill us like that.
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hahahahahahahaha

You don't even watch the games, you have no idea how we are playing now, or under Moyes.

And nobody has ever called for Moyes to comeback.

Your man is a fraud you lives in a fantasy land of possession football.

Starting to sound more and more like a kopite with this possession crap.
 
Del said:
Yes but we failed to win any of those games

He's not just struggling against defensive sides he's finding it hard against sides that attack

Not a good mixture really
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I dont think there's any way around not conceding this is a bad season. It is. It's the conclusions that we draw from this poor season that are most important: do you believe Martinez can put it right given a new season (which he WILL get), or do you believe you've seen enough to make the judgement that he's not the right manager.

They're the only choices on offer. Weighing it all up I find it incredible that some would turn to a replacement this early. It's nuts. Real nu-fan 'let's have a new flavour cos I'm bored' type of mentality.
 
davek said:
I dont think there's any way around not conceding this is a bad season. It is. It's the conclusions that we draw from this poor season that are most important: do you believe Martinez can put it right given a new season (which he WILL get), or do you believe you've seen enough to make the judgement that he's not the right manager.

They're the only choices on offer. Weighing it all up I find it incredible that some would turn to a replacement this early. It's nuts. Real nu-fan 'let's have a new flavour cos I'm bored' type of mentality.
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Be daft to sack him now, Give him the summer then up to Xmas, If nothings changed then see yer
 

We played some cracking football under Moyes at times, the football in the final third was often excellent - far more ideas and movement than we've seen this season.

For some reason though, some people have already re-written history and have us down as Late 80's Wimbledon or Pulis' Stoke team. Kind of disregards the fact that the Moyes era was largely based upon the intelligent on the deck football from Ossie, Pienaar and Arteta in midfield.
 
davek said:
Which is my position.

We know we hit the buffers this season. We hit the buffers because Martinez didn't bring in the players who could adapt to a changed attitude from our opposition. He has to be given time and funding to get back on track. What worries me is that the hoofball lovers who loved the Moyes period are intent on turning the clock back to the Jurassic period. They cant be allowed to kill us like that.
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great post this.
 

nsno-chris said:
hahahahahahahaha

You don't even watch the games, you have no idea how we are playing now, or under Moyes.

And nobody has ever called for Moyes to comeback.

Your man is a fraud you lives in a fantasy land of possession football.

Starting to sound more and more like a kopite with this possession crap.
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chris, you were rejecting Martinez even BEFORE he'd even signed a contract...then you spent the first season lying low or tipping up on the odd occasion when we played poorly or were beaten. In other words: you have zero credibility in a debate about the suitability or otherwise of Roberto Martinez as Everton manager. You just dont...and you know it.
 
MACCA75 said:
We played some cracking football under Moyes at times, the football in the final third was often excellent - far more ideas and movement than we've seen this season.

For some reason though, some people have already re-written history and have us down as Late 80's Wimbledon or Pulis' Stoke team. Kind of disregards the fact that the Moyes era was largely based upon the intelligent on the deck football from Ossie, Pienaar and Arteta in midfield.
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I both agree and disagree.

We were vastly more positive then we're often given credit for under Moyes. I think there was no team in the league who spent more time in the oppositions final third than us in all of his last 3 seasons here.

But the key phrase is 'at times'. We could play good football but we didn't have any confidence in it. Too often we would tighten up and start going for long balls when the short passing game was working.

Certainly it felt like we would play well and then at half time we would start defending a lead when for the previous 45 minutes we'd been pummeling them.

For every patch of good football, there were patches of horribly soul destroying crap too.

Which, tbf, you could say the same about martinez. But I think bobby is less likely to go negative than moyes was. We managed to keep up our footballing style pretty well on the whole last year.
 
Tubey said:
Nah, you see, the irony is you didn't use the months he was on fire to support him, but you DO use Martinez's past form to support him.

You pick and choose.
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Utterly wrong.

I actually by the summer after he'd arrived conceded he was a better player than I'd thought. That's something I did with Naismith too.

The lesson I need to draw from both those admissions is never to speak too soon. I should have refrained from praising them because they both proved me to be right long term: a couple of tosh players from north of the border.
 
davek said:
Utterly wrong.

I actually by the summer after he'd arrived conceded he was a better player than I'd thought. That's something I did with Naismith too.

The lesson I need to draw from both those admissions is never to speak too soon. I should have refrained from praising them because they both proved me to be right long term: a couple of tosh players from north of the border.
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Indeed. So perhaps you arrived at the conclusion that Martinez is a better manager than many thought a bit too soon as well eh? Given your rationale behind supporting Martinez is what he did immediately rather than what he's done in the longer term.
 

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