martinez out banner at watford

[PhilM]

Posters last week saying they dont want to win the cup if it means martinez stays...we play to win trophies but they dont want a trophy but want a different manager.

A ludicrous and shameful opinion I fully agree, but it's firmly in the minute-minority of the overall opinion. Repeating it is just as ludicrous maybe?

Maybe I'm wrong, however I think the general opinion is that people are pleased that we're in the semi-final and trurly desire cup success.

On the other hand though, they see the cup run as a small fraction of our overall performance this season; one factor in the bigger picture.

When combined, their fears and concerns about our general direction and form over 18months overrides their optimism brought by the cup run.

Personally as stated earlier, I would be delighted if Martinez were to win the FA Cup and would herald him for the success he'd have brought.

Would it be enough to want him in the long term? No I don't think so, as his management of the league and other factors have been appalling.

I look at the bigger picture and it's not rosy and I've nailed my flag to the post; I am happy to stand by those beliefs be if for better or worse.

What others are saying though, is that people like @davek (and maybe yourself) are happy to criticise but less open to answering the hard ones...

What happens if we lose in the semi-final? What do you define as a poor season? What would it take for you to agree Martinez should be sacked?

Less of the theatrics and thinly-veiled skirting around of questions. As @Groucho said, answer the difficult ones and people will be more accepting.

 

[GwladysBlue]

Why are you trying to put words in my mouth?

I didnt say anything like that at all.

Dearie me.

What are you trying to say then?

 

[Lanolin]

I support him, and think overall he's done a good solid job here regardless. I'm unshakeable in that view. It'd take a fourth season where we were struggling badly to convince me to say let's try again.

And herein lies the problem with regard to stifling debate. Nobody should be 'unshakeable' in their view on the manager. I want him out and have done for some time, but if we win every game between now and the end of the season, we'll probably finish about 7th and have a cup to show for it. To me, I would have to say he would then deserve another go. Yes, much of the season has been abysmal, but the end result is what matters and that would be an acceptable return. You appear to be suggesting that you would still support the manager even if we were to lose every game between now and May. That way of thinking is, frankly, ridiculous.

 

[witchdoc187]

"Getting us this far"... He's gotten us to two semi finals - but mostly down to us getting VERY easy runs. Chelsea are the only decent(ish) side we've beaten in either competition.

We've also not beaten ANY of the other semi final sides this season. I don't know who we'd get to replace Martinez, but honestly, with this set of players I don't think they could do much worse.

I'm not even sure our players are that good mate and a lot of them are very low on confidence. In my opinion they need support right now then reassess in the summer. Its no coincidence we beat Chelsea with the crowd getting behind the players. I know we'll get behind them at Wembley anyway.

 

[Zatara]

People have wrote relatively long posts re: why they think Martinez isn't the man for the job in the other thread. You or Dave don't answer them, can't answer them, you only mock how unbelievable it all is. Now you both trying to derail another thread that would self-govern itself.

Youve totally lost me know.. why would i reply out of choice to posts about a season league finish before its over?

 

[DrEFC]

How do you mean "ignore the whole season"?

The season isnt over yet and were in a cup semi.

OK season so far..apologies.

 

[Abertonian]

Ignore the whole season in a sad attempt to prove yourself right. No one said we have a right to beat Arsenal but at home youd expect to have a very good chance to.

Or at least have a good go at it

 

[Zatara]

A ludicrous and shameful opinion I fully agree, but it's firmly in the minute-minority of the overall opinion. Repeating it is just as ludicrous maybe?

Maybe I'm wrong, however I think the general opinion is that people are pleased that we're in the semi-final and trurly desire cup success.

On the other hand though, they see the cup run as a small fraction of our overall performance this season; one factor in the bigger picture.

When combined, their fears and concerns about our general direction and form over 18months overrides their optimism brought by the cup run.

Personally as stated earlier, I would be delighted if Martinez were to win the FA Cup and would herald him for the success he'd have brought.

Would it be enough to want him in the long term? No I don't think so, as his management of the league and other factors have been appalling.

I look at the bigger picture and it's not rosy and I've nailed my flag to the post; I am happy to stand by those beliefs be if for better or worse.

What others are saying though, is that people like @davek (and maybe yourself) are happy to criticise but less open to answering the hard ones...

What happens if we lose in the semi-final? What do you define as a poor season? What would it take for you to agree Martinez should be sacked?

Less of the theatrics and thinly-veiled skirting around of questions. As @Groucho said, answer the difficult ones and people will be more accepting.

I keep saying that a decent season for us would be 8th or 9th an ok season -- my prediction last summer.

Get rid of the deadwood and finish building the squad.

Next season go for top 6 then 4th.

This season hasnt even finished yet though.

 

[paulbefc]

Oh my God...

 

[GlosBlue]

Hand on heart, not really a fan of upsetting the apple cart prior to the Semi Final.

If results dont improve my feelings may change.

How can you upset an apple cart that's already on it's side?!!!

 

[witchdoc187]

It frustrates me that many of our fan base are more concerned about whether they are akin to those across the park than our own interests.

Do not put banner up because you'll look like a Kopite... do not vent your disgruntled feelings as they'll think we are acting like Reds...

Now I'm not saying I'm totally for the banner due to it being before the semi-final, but worried about being a Kopite is the least of our problems.

My sole concern right now is the direction and progress (or lack of it) of our club and whether Roberto Martinez is the correct man for the job.

If that is not your priority and in fact you're more concerned how we may be perceived by others (or if we look like them), then I worry.

As @Groucho rightly puts it, silently matching into oblivion purely so we aren't like "them" is giving them too much credit; it's ludicrous.

I agree, makes me laugh the amount of people saying 'It makes us look small time' who cares what other clubs think? Such a strange thing to say. Reminds me of the villa fans on 606 last night whining because Ian Wright doesn't think they're a big club.

 

[DrEFC]

Youve totally lost me know.. why would i reply out of choice to posts about a season league finish before its over?

Zat, he's been a manager at our club for over a season. You and Dave are on a wind up. You don't reply to decent posts and only reply to over the top ones like what started this thread.

 

[matty1878]

Banners all day if it will help!

 

[degsy]

How do you mean "ignore the whole season"?

The season isnt over yet and were in a cup semi.

for those with eyes to see the season effectively started to end at Bournemouth Away in Nov. then went downhill from there.

 

[Zatara]

And herein lies the problem with regard to stifling debate. Nobody should be 'unshakeable' in their view on the manager. I want him out and have done for some time, but if we win every game between now and the end of the season, we'll probably finish about 7th and have a cup to show for it. To me, I would have to say he would then deserve another go. Yes, much of the season has been abysmal, but the end result is what matters and that would be an acceptable return. You appear to be suggesting that you would still support the manager even if we were to lose every game between now and May. That way of thinking is, frankly, ridiculous.

How can someone not be "unshakable" on PAST performance?

Youve taken that to mean unshakable for FUTURE performance which i dont think hes saying.

Come on, when the season is over then we can see where we stand...nothing urgent now. Enjoy the cup game and see what happens. Reasess next season once he has his own squad.

Im sure @davek wouldnt be opposed to a change in manager if he felt we were not developing. Id say if we have a poor season up to xmas next year or something like that then he will be jettissoned.

For now why not enjoy the cup semi? Also the season isnt over....