Martin Samuel's loan market articles

[Donald Twain]

I think even if one doesn't have a problem with the article or even agrees with the broad thrust of it, one has to wonder why Mr. Samuel waited until now to write it.

He has had practically the whole season to vent his views on the loan system but he says sod all until Champions League qualification suddenly falls into Everton's own hands with the season's end rapidly approaching.

It's like Fleet Street's gang of corpulent knowitalls have had a lightbulb moment and see the status quo which they have actively encouraged this past decade and a half in real danger of being smashed.

The CL without either Arsenal or United is total anathema to them.....the fact that both might be relegated from the CL this season is unthinkable.

And why no mention of Liverpool?

They are sitting atop the league and they have as many loanees as we have. Is it just that he doesn't mind loans so long as they aren't the glittering success ours have been?

If Romelu Lukaku had turned out as big a flop for us as that boy Moses has at Anfield would that be all right then?

In my view this is very much Martin Samuel having a dig at Everton and Roberto Martinez, no matter how much he protests that it isn't.

This puts it spot on

 

[Donald Twain]

From what I've been hearing it'll be loads of articles on how they've won the league spending practically nothing with a master tactician in charge, despite essentially failing FFP

I can hear 'plucky underdogs' and 'people's champions' getting ready now.May the Lord spare us all.

 

[Billy Dean]

As a counterbalance to Samuel, here's a nice article on us from F365. I think they're the only outlet giving us any credit at the moment:

http://www.football365.com/f365-says/9258909/F365-Says

 

[allen]

The real problem is not the loan system it's the fact that clubs like Monaco, city and Chelsea can stockpile players in the way they do. If these clubs weren't allowed to do this they wouldn't be demanding loose loan systems that send surplus players out on loan as they have to us. And if the richest weren't allowed to stockpile players then there's a greater chance that clubs like us would have them anyway.

This is absolutely the problem.

We're all delighted with the loan market at the moment, but it's no good for the game. It's the equivalent of rich landlords buying up houses, pushing up prices, and renting them back to the plebs.

 

[Khalekan]

As a counterbalance to Samuel, here's a nice article on us from F365. I think they're the only outlet giving us any credit at the moment:

http://www.football365.com/f365-says/9258909/F365-Says

Great article, Billy. Thanks for posting it.

This bit says it all :


Friendship with David Moyes (Mark Lawrenson) and good old-fashioned xenophobia (anyone who writes for the Daily Mail) are obvious motives for this slow withdrawal of credit from some quarters but perhaps the biggest factor is a reluctance to admit that Everton's success has come as a massive 'f*** you' to pre-season predictions. And nobody likes to be proved wrong

 

[Jeff Jones]

I can hear 'plucky underdogs' and 'people's champions' getting ready now.May the Lord spare us all.

You know, 'plucky underdogs' just doesn't fit Everton, especially those of us old enough to remember multiple League Championships and FA Cups.
It's not as though we've been in the football wilderness in the years when we haven't won trophies.
Top Flight for the last 60 years .In it since day one and only four seasons out of it in it's history.

 

[Khalekan]

You know, 'plucky underdogs' just doesn't fit Everton, especially those of us old enough to remember multiple League Championships and FA Cups.
It's not as though we've been in the football wilderness in the years when we haven't won trophies.
Top Flight for the last 60 years .In it since day one and only four seasons out of it in it's history.

I think he was having an ironic swipe at how the meejah will portray LFC if they are crowned champions,

He wasn't referring to EFC

 

[Jeff Jones]

I think he was having an ironic swipe at how the meejah will portray LFC if they are crowned champions,

He wasn't referring to EFC

Yes, I've just read it again and I responded to Donald Twain's post and not efcfanwirrals quote. Even so, my point is valid because that's the way we're portrayed.

 

[Jxg]

Didn't realise this thread was here.

Anyway, the fact that Samuel has bothered to respond means he knows he's screwed up. The fact that he has responded to so many means he's crapping himself because he's done his "reputation" no favours. He knows he's wrong but, like all the other pundits, he has to play it off like he's right.

Constantly referring to "this one article I wrote on Bolton a while ago" does not justify his point. If he truly had this much of an issue with the loan system, he'd be writing stories on it monthly and setting up some form of petition to get the FA to redesign/remove it. No, he (like all others) is just upset because Everton have actually managed to do well with our loan signings. Maybe he wouldn't care as much if Traore decided he'd rather go to Samuel's precious West Ham and get relegated than compete for a CL spot with Everton.

 

[i'm blue da be dabu die]

The best bit about our loans is Tottenham fans complaining that the only reason they are behind us is because of them lol. They have serious delusions of entitlement... If we do finish in the top 4 I cant wait to see if we are praised for what is a seriously outstanding achievement or were slated for loaning quality players which is against the rules.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

It infuriates me.

Loaning players is essentially no different to buying players. You are bringing in a player to improve your squad. That's it.

In all honesty, the media should pick up on the clubs that blow their transfer money on dross (Spurs). Now, that is a sin.

 

[Rook]

The best bit about our loans is Tottenham fans complaining that the only reason they are behind us is because of them lol. They have serious delusions of entitlement... If we do finish in the top 4 I cant wait to see if we are praised for what is a seriously outstanding achievement or were slated for loaning quality players which is against the rules.

I could seriously care less. At least what we do is in the rules unlike some rich clubs lucrative bogus stadium deals to circumvent FFF. At least we don't buy up all of the best players in the world (players fans want to see and whom you could build a squad around) and sit them on the bench. At least we aren't "loaning" our players to the MLS to create a defacto reserve team side and to keep a bloated roster so there are more players to buy up young. At least we aren't tapping up and unsettling players either. I could go on forever with the misdeeds of clubs we are overtaking.

 

[SpurtingLesbian]

If Arsehole Whinger is so against the loan system then I'm sure we'll see him not spending yet another window trying to get a top striker in on loan or sending out those who he deems not good enough yet for the Arsenal first team to get experience.

 

[mightymoyes]

uefa saying chelsea cant prevent courtois playing in the champions league against them. they should step in and let barry play against city for us.

 

[Billy Dean]

uefa saying chelsea cant prevent courtois playing in the champions league against them. they should step in and let barry play against city for us.

haven't heard anyone moaning that Atleti have got to the CL semis with a loaned keeper either