Martínez is shown the scale of the task to change Everton's style

[davek]

I'm willing to give it a try, none of us have any choice in that matter.

I'm fully accepting that we might drop a few places down the league this year as he tries to change the style of play.

However I also think he has a massive task to match the 60+ points totals we have been used to over the last few years.

And I don't believe of all the managers in the world - as the anti-Moyes types often pointed out on the wages we paid Moyes we could attract any manager - that Martinez was the best possible choice. Nor that Wigan Athletic had 3 or 4 players in their team that would improve us.

So give us a name.

 

[Jags..class]

Its seem that some of our fans are impatient, a joke to be honest. Puts me off going the match to be honest. Its not fun or a happy place to sit among the fans anymore.

 

[andybaker]

Martinez had to start almost from scratch every summer at Wigan as most of his players left or got sold.

IMO its the reason they were always dog 5hit till xmas then started to play for the second half. They left it to late last season but won the cup, you would have to ask a wigan fan what they would rather have but im guessing its prem football.

My hope is that with the quality of our starting 11 we dont take half a season to adjust and the players can learn quicker than at Wigan.

 

[Timak]

Let me ask you this, if you think this job might be beyond Martinez, who would you have preferred Everton's new manager to have been?

I could list a few names but the reality is that the correlation between wages and finishing position is such that any new manager has about a 90% chance of finishing where their wage bill says they should. With about 5% performing worse and 5% better.

If I said Thomas Tuchel for example based on the fact he has Mainz performing above expectations and plays attractive football I'm sure you could argue that this is in Germany, he may not want to join us etc etc

I don't by any means think Martinez is a rubbish manager, I obviously hope he does really well with Everton. However I think the likes of you, who continually bashed the previous regime, should be the last to give lectures about "getting behind the manager".

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Agree with the article.

I was a bit shocked with the tone of the crowd, sensed murmers of booing almost, frustration at the least.

Final whistle went, and people were off, pissed off. That suprised me.

I think there was a sense of frustration that we hadn't put a very average WBA side to bed. There was no real increase in the tempo as we chased the win, it was too pedestrian & I think the tippy tappy short game started to frustrate more, as the clock ticked down.

 

[jtl60]

Patience,Patience,Patience .

We've played two games, dominated both and lost neither.

What the telegraph failed to mention is that is was more than the Moyes factor. the Unsworth to Ferguson hoof started way before Moyes arrived and under Smith,Royal and Moyes we have generally returned to that when we are searching for a goal.

 

[andybaker]

Its seem that some of our fans are impatient, a joke to be honest. Puts me off going the match to be honest. Its not fun or a happy place to sit among the fans anymore.

you would understand to a certain extent if the board had given him £90M and he drew the first 2 games. Weve spent £6M to give the new manager 'what he wants'

its the board and chairman who are a fkin joke, not the manager FFS!

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

However I think the likes of you, who continually bashed the previous regime, should be the last to give lectures about "getting behind the manager".

^ This & a bag of chips.

 

[Pabbers]

I think there was a sense of frustration that we hadn't put a very average WBA side to bed. There was no real increase in the tempo as we chased the win, it was too pedestrian & I think the tippy tappy short game started to frustrate more, as the clock ticked down.

Do people expect miricles though ??

He and the team need time. WBA are a decent side, and have a very tacticly astute manager.

We were an inch away from winning this game by 3 or 4 goals.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Do people expect miricles though ??

He and the team need time. WBA are a decent side, and have a very tacticly astute manager.

We were an inch away from winning this game by 3 or 4 goals.

Miracles? what fans wanting a goal at home to WBA were asking for a task akin to the feeding of the 5,000?

No, as I said, I think there was a desire to see an increase in the tempo as we chased the win.

 

[Pabbers]

Miracles? what fans wanting a goal at home to WBA were asking for a task akin to the feeding of the 5,000?

No, as I said, I think there was a desire to see an increase in the tempo as we chased the win.

Didn't we lose to them away last season ?? and lose 4-1 at home the season before ??

Calm is needed.

 

[davek]

I could list a few names but the reality is that the correlation between wages and finishing position is such that any new manager has about a 90% chance of finishing where their wage bill says they should. With about 5% performing worse and 5% better.

If I said Thomas Tuchel for example based on the fact he has Mainz performing above expectations and plays attractive football I'm sure you could argue that this is in Germany, he may not want to join us etc etc

I don't by any means think Martinez is a rubbish manager, I obviously hope he does really well with Everton. However I think the likes of you, who continually bashed the previous regime, should be the last to give lectures about "getting behind the manager".

You know nothing about my posting record on here concerning Moyes. He had my total support for a long, long time before I turned against him (you might want to try that yourself with a new manager who needs complete, not partial, backing).

Alternatives: yes, exactly. It would have been a punt to bring in anyone. You'd have had Tuchel in and you know next to **** all about him like the rest of us, apart from watching a couple of Bundesliga matches and the evidence of a season.

 

[nigelcoyb]

Fans couldn't give one about football philosophy they just want to win if Moyes had won stuff the divisions about him would have been miniscule.

The modern idiom is basic football allows lesser players to be more effective and accepts existing in the division as a prize in itself - it seemingly justifies anything - surrender to your local rivals, bore the arse of fans, not try at certain grounds.

THIS at one of the historic giants of the game needs changing.

Player trading and youth development has always been the way unless you are one of the 2 or 3 clubs with money to burn but fans pay lip service to giving Martinez time, the number saying "we are 6th!!!!" as though an untouchable benchmark is spine chilling in it's dullness.

Barkley, Coleman, Mirallas, Oviedo, Heitinga and Stones have the tools to adapt but it doesn't mean they will, Baines and Felli could be added but they might be gone in days. The rest show the ravages of time, injury or are just not suited to "football".

So the question remains about protection of the "7th place trophy" - is this really the limit of an Evertonians aspiration?

We can assuredly match that with a Phil Neville or similar in charge year in year out.

Make no mistake the odds are huge the top teams don't play hoofball they beat teams because they are more creative, cleverer and effective not a single club since Prem inception has managed what we are embarking upon without shedloads.

Are Evertonians really up for the challenge?

 

[MickM86]

If we are to play an attacking brand of football then why are we starting so deep and midfielders are coming deep to get the ball? Shouldn't we be dominating possession in their half and not our own? I thought attacking football was to be played more direct and cutthroat, the possession football we played on Saturday was as if we were 2-0 up. I'm not criticising so don't get it twisted, I still think we played well on Saturday but I thought we should've went searching for the goal with more tempo and aggression. We played at the back, building up slowly and this gave WBA time to get back into position and sit comfortably.

When Wigan went 1-0 down, that's when Martinez decided to play football. They never really played it from the off, as soon as they conceded they would start to kick on. They played better football towards the end of the season because they were fighting for their lives.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticising and read my previous posts you will see but it's merely an observation.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Calm is needed.

During the game, you're never going to get 'calm' though.

People will express their emotions as they watch the game unfold, it doesn't mean that they're making judgements about the suitability of the manager, they're merely vocalising their thoughts on a passage of play.