2018/19 Marco Silva - New Poll Added

[roydo]

The problem is long term thinking is very subjective, clubs like Villa and Sunderland I imagine never planned on getting relegated however poor season after poor season eventually caught up on them.

I felt we were slowly edging towards the abyss with Martinez and Kenwright then Moshiri bought the club, appointed Koeman and we finished 7th with Rom on the verge of signing a new deal amd things were looking great - since then its gone horribly wrong with poor decision after poor decision from the owner.

I get why fans/Moshiri might want Silva to get a 2nd season and get the books sorted however he's a massive gamble and whilst he could improve we could be back to square one come November with no manager and no one other than a Moyes/BSA type firefighter available to come in.

No one would say mistakes wernt made. Silva may well be the dud you hope he will be. I think, under the umbrella of Brands, he wont be. Someone posted that mid table stability is the aim in the lead up to the new ground. Could well be. But its called progression as a club, not a season by season dissection of the manager.

 

[MikeH72]

My point is Clubs not as big or financially attractive as us have gone out and attracted higher calibre/rated managers than us who have gambled on a novice.

Two of them have managed to appoint absolutely washed up old dinosaurs who no proper clubs want, and Southampton got a manager you hadn’t heard of 6 months ago who hasn’t even improved their points per game ratio over Mark Hughes.

 

[Goat]

*You are or You're.

No.

 

[ijjysmith]

Two of them have managed to appoint absolutely washed up old dinosaurs who no proper clubs want, and Southampton got a manager you hadn’t heard of 6 months ago who hasn’t even improved their points per game ratio over Mark Hughes.

Has he not?! That’s great. Please confirm. Need to message some people.

 

[COYBL25]

What the hell does that have to do with anything? You’d rather be in Southampton’s position in genuine danger of relegation, or Newcastle without a pot to piss in and suffering 2 relegations in a decade? Grow up.

Apparently they’ve got “ great “ managers though lol

 

[COYBL25]

Has he not?! That’s great. Please confirm. Need to message some people.

lol

 

[ForeverBlue92]

No one would say mistakes wernt made. Silva may well be the dud you hope he will be. I think, under the umbrella of Brands, he wont be. Someone posted that mid table stability is the aim in the lead up to the new ground. Could well be. But its called progression as a club, not a season by season dissection of the manager.

I thought mid table obscurity was the aim until BMD was sorted myself however part of me thinks maybe not as why sack BSA who basically guarantees you PL survival? We also spent a decent sum again in the summer compared to clubs like Newcastle trying to just stay up.

Its not that I even dislike Silva I dont have personal feelings to the manager never have done. Its why I dont get fans who would never entertain Benitez or fans who wanted Unsy or Arteta to get the job as they are "one of us".

If the manager does a good job/have past credentials I'll back them, if they are a novice who's doing a bad job and a past history of poor results in the league with different clubs its fair to say I think its redundant keeping them in a job when we can attract better.

I want to go to GP and enjoy the experience - I've not had it in the last 4 out of 5 seasons surely its not something too outrageous to ask for considering the potential of this club ie. Finances, 52k new ground on the horizon etc.

 

[roydo]

I thought mid table obscurity was the aim until BMD was sorted myself

Dont think its the aim. I said some folk would be ok with it. And I get the logic of your point that if it is, why sack BFS. From a pragmatic point of view.

But the deal was always Brands, plus Silva. Just took a year longer than Moshiri wanted.

Like I have said, you may be right re Silva, and congrats on winning the internet if so. I see some progression with what we have. Baby steps, granted, but ok.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Dont think its the aim. I said some folk would be ok with it. And I get the logic of your point that if it is, why sack BFS. From a pragmatic point of view.

But the deal was always Brands, plus Silva. Just took a year longer than Moshiri wanted.

Like I have said, you may be right re Silva, and congrats on winning the internet if so. I see some progression with what we have. Baby steps, granted, but ok.

I dont care if im right or wrong mate as I said I just want to enjoy going to the games and thinking we have a decent shot of actually qualifying for Europe or winning a trophy. The thought of not being able to get excited for next season is gut wrenching as its how I felt at the end of Roberto's 2nd season knowing it was inevitable what would follow the season after.

If I saw signs of progression I would be patient and be behind Silva but all I see is a side sat in 11th with zero consistency. As you say though its funny how fans see different things you see small signs of progression I see signs of Roberto esque regression.

 

[Charles Hawtrey]

I dont care if im right or wrong mate as I said I just want to enjoy going to the games and thinking we have a decent shot of actually qualifying for Europe or winning a trophy. The thought of not being able to get excited for next season is gut wrenching as its how I felt at the end of Roberto's 2nd season knowing it was inevitable what would follow the season after.

If I saw signs of progression I would be patient and be behind Silva but all I see is a side sat in 11th with zero consistency. As you say though its funny how fans see different things you see small signs of progression I see signs of Roberto esque regression.

It is concerning that consistency is the overall goal but the means of achieving it is by sacking another coach..... The fact is that consistently good performances is what gets you into the Top 6 or Top 4. If you aren't in that group you are not consistently playing well and getting results. the band of clubs mentioned earlier are all as inconsistent as we are, WHU, Watford, even Wolves... didn't they lose home and away to Huddersfield? things were pretty similar 5 years ago with a small group of teams performing inconsistently below the top 4 (as it was then). Its perhaps no coincidence that our most consistent teams were those in the later Moyes years after he had been here for more than a few seasons.

 

[greener]

Two of them have managed to appoint absolutely washed up old dinosaurs who no proper clubs want, and Southampton got a manager you hadn’t heard of 6 months ago who hasn’t even improved their points per game ratio over Mark Hughes.

Erm,
Hughes 22 games W3 D8 L11
Hasenhuttl 15 games W6 D3 L6 (and unlike hughes had to ship players out, including their best one)

The interesting thing living down here on the south coast is that Saints fans are more worried about losing him rather than relegation.
Given a choice of relegation and keeping him, or staying up and losing him they actually prefer the former (but they are a bit odd).

I suspect it may be both. Which at least would shut 'em up crowing about Koeman ripping us off!

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Erm,
Hughes 22 games W3 D8 L11
Hasenhuttl 15 games W6 D3 L6 (and unlike hughes had to ship players out, including their best one)

The interesting thing living down here on the south coast is that Saints fans are more worried about losing him rather than relegation.
Given a choice of relegation and keeping him, or staying up and losing him they actually prefer the former (but they are a bit odd).

I suspect it may be both. Which at least would shut 'em up crowing about Koeman ripping us off!

Mate dont talk sense! Managers like Benitez and Hassanhuttl are garbage sat in midtable losing their best players and only able to spend a bean - they should be top 7!

Not like Marco and his £90 million a window kitty and 100k+ a week salaried international players - blokes a genius even just managing to keep us up.

 

[ijjysmith]

Erm,
Hughes 22 games W3 D8 L11
Hasenhuttl 15 games W6 D3 L6 (and unlike hughes had to ship players out, including their best one)

The interesting thing living down here on the south coast is that Saints fans are more worried about losing him rather than relegation.
Given a choice of relegation and keeping him, or staying up and losing him they actually prefer the former (but they are a bit odd).

I suspect it may be both. Which at least would shut 'em up crowing about Koeman ripping us off!

Where on the south coast are you?

 

[MikeH72]

Mate dont talk sense! Managers like Benitez and Hassanhuttl are garbage sat in midtable losing their best players and only able to spend a bean - they should be top 7!

Not like Marco and his £90 million a window kitty and 100k+ a week salaried international players - blokes a genius even just managing to keep us up.

Hang on, when has this actually happened to either of them?

 

[greener]

Where on the south coast are you?

Wimborne now mate, but born in Southampton (side order of common sense from my Grandad who supported Everton).
Still have a few mates with season tickets at St Marys and get gifted a free game or two every season. Just to really complicate it my best mate is a Pompey fan, we work hard at our relationship