2018/19 Marco Silva - New Poll Added

[blulouie]

It’s an even worse setup, why would anyone think that was in anyway a good idea

Aye
It wasnt.
Same every week....rinse & repeat.

 

[blue61]

I would imagine being a good coach is far more important than speaking English fluently.

 

[Kever10]

It was half in jest, but tbh, our season is boiling down to trying to stop them win the league.

I thought you were being serious, and that's because I whole heartedly agree. If we turn up against City after the [Poor language removed] we've served up against some of the poorer teams in the league, I'll be furious.

I already decided I'm not going on Wednesday, because I don't fancy going to stand in the freezing cold wanting us to get destroyed by a team that should by rights destroy us. And I don't understand why anyone else wants us to win. I don't even want us to get a respectable 1-2 defeat. I genuinely hope its double figures.

 

[BlueToff]

About 95% of goals are preventable, it all comes back to the training pitch though

I don't think it can all come back to training though, I'm sorry.

We've seen the same mistakes over and over again under different managers.

I honestly reckon we're one of the best training teams in the league. We'll be ace. Pinging balls everywhere, scoring belters.

We just can't do it on the pitch.

No matter how much you work on something in training, out on the pitch in one individual moment, the player has to make the right call.

Training doesn't stop Keane making that foul. It doesn't stop Richarlison and Coleman losing their man. It doesn't stop Baines diving in. It doesn't stop Lookman losing possession.

 

[Strikinglyhandsome1]

Not the late 70s.
Gordon’s team was well in the Title race in 77/78 and 78/79.....with two long unbeaten runs and playing great football with very fine players.
The early 80s was an awful time in the league, though

I kind of meant the obsession with them was immense. Check out how many trophies they won between 1975-1984. It permeated into a lot of fans psyche.

I loved the Dobson, Latchford, Thomas era. If we had Southall back then......

 

[Steve Wigan]

Yeah, this seems to have been on the list of requirements and the reason for hiring Martinez, Koeman (who i assume is decent in spanish after 7 years at barca) and Silva. And it's a good reason to romanticize about getting Arteta in.

And yeah, I'm not aiming at this from the worst far-right angle here, I'm thinking man management. The manager has an obligation to stay in touch with the players and the fans, to speak their language and say the right thing. I hate to sound clichéd but i think Solskjær is a good example. He shows that a certain youthfulness, cultural understanding and actual ability to express yourself is good for the players too. Martinez was pretty good at that, except for the inability to say something negative when it had to be said.

Thing is, both Silva as well as Ronald and Sam were awful at "getting it", or showing that they got it, and they struggled at this whole feeling of being caged in, disconnected, not on the wavelength. They are speaking their own language instead of learning ours, i guess.

As an example, I'd urge you guys to have a look at Silva's last post-match comments. He's clearly uncomfortable with the loss and all, but his ability to express himself is simply not there. If he can't express him self on camera to the fans in the post-match, a crucial part of any managers' job, how does he do so in the dressing room?

To summarize: It's not necessarily a language thing. But a question of being able to express yourself - and to be accurate about it.

That's an interesting intelligent post. You've applied a theory that's common in general business,but hasn't been used much in the 'business' of football. I think you're right ats its certainly appearing to be a negative in connection with Silva. Emerys command of English isn't great, and the guy at Leeds isn't much but they seem to be able to get things across to players on the training ground(the Leeds guy more so)

 

[when i score we riot]

I think his point was about the coach needing to speak the English language well, Bernie....not actually being English.

And I think it is a fair enough point in principle.

I often think that a manager coaching a dressing room which has more tongues than the Tower of Babel must have the devil of a job getting his message across, particularly regarding the more complex plays.

Though it probably matters not that much in our case.....Bobby and Koeman spoke perfect English and the same problems pertained

You're right and i think the general language barrier is a large and imposing part of our man management problem as well. As i mentioned, Bobby was better at "getting it" than the other two ever were, and it seemed to be he was better at connecting personally with our players. His agenda of never saying anything negative was a major let-down, and it can be proper grating when something isn't working out, as was the case for a LOOONG time before we finally fired him.

At that point, he was painfully off-wavelength. Allardyce is the prime example of that behaviour. Koeman's auschwitzification of Finch Farm obviously didn't help endear him to the players either. What grates me, was how this exact quality was heralded as one of the top reasons behind hiring Maro Silva. Ex-players trotted out in the papers and said how they had connected personally with Silva. Moshiri said he was such an open personality, and Silva himself said the following:

“I know what our fans expect – they expect results but not only results. I want our fans to be proud when they see our team on the pitch. I want them to feel we are committed, that we are working hard and enjoying our football because that is important as well. We want to build a great connection between the squad and the fans, and I’m sure that with our attitude and demands of commitment our style of play will see that."

Let's try to sum that up shall we:
A team that plays to match our fanbases (maybe sometimes too high) expectations: NOPE
Fans proud of our teams' performance, even when not delivering a result: That hasn't happened since the 0-0 vs Chelsea at Stamford Bridge in November
Fans feel that the team are committed, working hard and enjoying our football: Hahaha, no
Great connection between the squad and the fans: Our fanbase currently has a better connection to Millwall FC and the Metropolitan Police Service in London than this lot
The coaching teams' preferred style of play aligning with the club ethos and fan expectations: If there even was a style of play to analyze, this might've been easier to answer

 

[when i score we riot]

That's an interesting intelligent post. You've applied a theory that's common in general business,but hasn't been used much in the 'business' of football. I think you're right ats its certainly appearing to be a negative in connection with Silva. Emerys command of English isn't great, and the guy at Leeds isn't much but they seem to be able to get things across to players on the training ground(the Leeds guy more so)

It shows that I'm getting old and have the wrong job maybe, but at this point in life I'm reading football news more like i was reading the Financial Times. As far as Everton is concerned, cheering for our finances and business development has been a lot more fun than our football.

 

[Strikinglyhandsome1]

It shows that I'm getting old and have the wrong job maybe, but at this point in life I'm reading football news more like i was reading the Financial Times. As far as Everton is concerned, cheering for our finances and business development has been a lot more fun than our football.

True. The team are playing with two left FTSEs

 

[Deco]

I don't think it can all come back to training though, I'm sorry.

We've seen the same mistakes over and over again under different managers.

I honestly reckon we're one of the best training teams in the league. We'll be ace. Pinging balls everywhere, scoring belters.

We just can't do it on the pitch.

No matter how much you work on something in training, out on the pitch in one individual moment, the player has to make the right call.

Training doesn't stop Keane making that foul. It doesn't stop Richarlison and Coleman losing their man. It doesn't stop Baines diving in. It doesn't stop Lookman losing possession.

I’d agree that it’s been a problem for years but we’ve got almost a completely new side this season.

Zouma, Mina, Digne, Gomes etc all brand new players making the exact same mistakes we’ve seen.

I honestly don’t know what the answer is but there’s obviously a big problem.

Early this season I don’t remember it being an issue but set pieces are laughable for us now and considering the number of new personnel I would say the liability is with the coaching.

Maybe the quality of our coaches, the number of them and how much we spend on coaches overall isn’t enough?

 

[Toffee-nerd]

I don't think it can all come back to training though, I'm sorry.

We've seen the same mistakes over and over again under different managers.

I honestly reckon we're one of the best training teams in the league. We'll be ace. Pinging balls everywhere, scoring belters.

We just can't do it on the pitch.

No matter how much you work on something in training, out on the pitch in one individual moment, the player has to make the right call.

Training doesn't stop Keane making that foul. It doesn't stop Richarlison and Coleman losing their man. It doesn't stop Baines diving in. It doesn't stop Lookman losing possession.

This 100% for me. By extension that means that the players aren't good enough. Silva isn't doing himself any favors by going for the same stale tactics every single game but this season is highlighting to me that this group of players aren't ever going to amount to anything significant. They wanted free flowing fluid football after allardyce. Silva gave them the structure to do that, early season it worked out ok but now we look like the same disjointed unit we have looked like for ages. Same drab performances, second best to pretty average teams, no passion, no impetus or responsibility taken to put it right.

I honestly believe if we were to somehow get to a final with these players we would have no chance of winning any final, against anyone simply because their mentality sn't right. They're weak. Other players want it more, they do the basics first and foremost playing for each other and the team. There is zero spirit or fight in these players, as a collective they seem content going through the motions and getting turned over by rubbish. No outbursts of passion on the pitch, no rockets when mistakes happen. No consequences to being absolute rubbish. We are a bit of a laughing stock at the moment, all the money we have spent to go backwards. The players should be running through walls to dispel that but they cant even clear their lines and defend like a half decent sunday league side.

There cant be anymore excuses for these players. A new manager may change results for a while but I'm convinced that as soon as we go through a bad patch we would see the same gormless faces on the pitch while we gift the opposition goals. At some point the club has to say enough is enough and put an end to 90% of this waste of space squad. The players cant say theyve not had the support, fans are desperate for the players to show some balls and start performing but they just dont and they wont. I've given up on them completely.

 

[hktoffee]

I don't think it can all come back to training though, I'm sorry.

We've seen the same mistakes over and over again under different managers.

I honestly reckon we're one of the best training teams in the league. We'll be ace. Pinging balls everywhere, scoring belters.

We just can't do it on the pitch.

No matter how much you work on something in training, out on the pitch in one individual moment, the player has to make the right call.

Training doesn't stop Keane making that foul. It doesn't stop Richarlison and Coleman losing their man. It doesn't stop Baines diving in. It doesn't stop Lookman losing possession.

We can’t just blame the players all the time and pretend the manager has no faults. Silva has a history of conceding goals through setpieces.

 

[BlueToff]

We can’t just blame the players all the time and pretend the manager has no faults. Silva has a history of conceding goals through setpieces.

Nobody is doing that.

It's just that these players don't get enough blame.

As I said, I'm kind of now past the point of caring on Silva. I think he has the right ideas but I have no affinity with him. But I'd like to see some patience too because as a club we're completely rotten and it starts from both ends - top and bottom.

 

[BernieH]

Everton FC where careers come to die

 

[Cool_Blue]

I don't think it can all come back to training though, I'm sorry.

We've seen the same mistakes over and over again under different managers.

I honestly reckon we're one of the best training teams in the league. We'll be ace. Pinging balls everywhere, scoring belters.

We just can't do it on the pitch.

No matter how much you work on something in training, out on the pitch in one individual moment, the player has to make the right call.

Training doesn't stop Keane making that foul. It doesn't stop Richarlison and Coleman losing their man. It doesn't stop Baines diving in. It doesn't stop Lookman losing possession.

Nicely summed up. We have mostly rubbish players I’m afraid. I feel for Marco having to manage these spineless biffs, but he’s not helping himself, he simply HAS to get them more organised, or this could get very ugly in the next few weeks.