Obviously new managers need time, and that is no different with Silva, still very early days for him with us, and shouts of sack are mad. But, considering he'll know all about Spurs, yesterday was just pure naivety from him.
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Obviously new managers need time, and that is no different with Silva, still very early days for him with us, and shouts of sack are mad. But, considering he'll know all about Spurs, yesterday was just pure naivety from him.
EverBlue92
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Im assuming those are based on one whole season not less than half a season?
Both managers were also proven (Klopp obviously more so) whereas Silva went down with Hull and went on a shocking run after a decent 8 games or so with Watford which is standard for most of their managers.
Nothing points to him being anything more than a run of the mill Watford/Crystal Palace mid table type manager.
I just think we can do so much better mate.
Season ain't over is it?
polish
Player Valuation: £35m
Of course it's not, but I can't see anything in our play that's not bang average and my prediction is that we'll be out of the FA Cup when the first real team will come in to town.
Oh and it was two cup finals for Klopp's first half year.
polish
Player Valuation: £35m
How can you compare Klopp's first half season when he hasn't even had a pre-season with his team? His first full season they finished fourth.
And Pochettino was doing a decent job at Saints before, he wasn't relegated and sacked from the Premier League club and actually he lead Spurs to the cup final that season. So there was something to build on at least.
Not disagreeing with your points, im just showing that 2 so called 'quality' managers had some really poor results (probably performances too) in their early days.
Although they went on to get to cup finals etc it wasnt all rosey - im sure fans were doubting those 2 managers also. I know for a fact Klopp was getting questioned early on.
Maybe we should get Mourinho in, he's won so much more than those 2 yet he couldnt get his £500mill team to lay a glove on City and got humiliatied against Liverpool who probably broke the recorded number of shots on goal (36) against a team.
Conte got sacked at Chelsea, Ranieri won the league, Klopp has lost about 6 finals ob the run and Pochettino has won nothing.
Im not having a go at them but no manager is a certainty. We could go and get Simeone and it could turn out to be a disaster. There is no point just jumping from one to the other every 6 months.
Let's see.
Managers need time. Calling for him to be sacked now is delusional
I'm ok with a couple of bad defeats to better teams if it means our approach to those games going forward will be the same, but with better players and a settled squad accustomed to a positive style of play. It should reap more rewards long term.
No point in parking buses if thats not how you are trying to play overall.
A lot of the arguments between fans here today boils down to whether you are focused mostly on results or place equal or greater importance on style of play.
After mainly playing % football since we last won a trophy and boring me to death, I'm happy to give a more progressive coach time and patience to see if he can do better.
Get the team playing how you want them. Hopefully gain enough points to get a decent finish in the meantime. Finish the refresh of the squad in the summer and look forward to something a bit more substantial next season.
stretford blue
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Always knew there would be times like this in the season when it all goes a bit pear shaped .and we can't be sacking every manager a few months into a season and just one transfer window . of course improvements are needed from the manager and the players and hopefully we will see them in the coming weeks
It's a young squad too though Steve. Yesterday the average age was under 25 (Spurs had 15+ years on us and they are considered a young team too). At times it shows. When things start to go slightly array the wheels then come off big time, which is what you would expect with the age of a lot of the players.
The hope is they learn from it. In a strange way you learn more from a game like that than a winning run (or the top players will). What I can say though, is the young players are getting better under Silva (all of them have improved) and they seem to enjoy working with him. Not in a having a bit of a doss under Martinez type of way, but in that he backs them, and supports them and helps them on the training pitch. Constantly changing managers is not going to help any squad and it's certainly not going to help this squad given the age profile.
The point you make about a reaction is key now. My gut feeling is that the response from the management after the derby was probably the wrong one. I think he let them feel sorry for themselves a bit too long for me. We've all moped and I think he's probably allowed the players to mope a bit too. That defeat yesterday will warrant a severe rollocking and I think they probably need it. There's a few too many of them, post Chelsea who think they have cracked it and they have got a rude awakening yesterday to the levels you need to be playing at.
Alli, Kane and Son are a joy to watch. All of them are very good players, but they all work incredibly hard for the team. As an 11 we could do with remembering that.
This is also now a bit make or break for Pickford. He either calms himself, and continues on the trajectory to being England's number 1 for the next decade, or he allows that mistake at Anfield to define him. What we can't have is him making continual rash decisions.
As you say though, lets go and get a couple of scrappy wins at Burnley and Brighton. Both of them will be eying us up for 6 points. There's no time for moping now, it's time for a few of them to stand up.
bluestevon
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Don't be utterly daft lad.
Iwhst I am pointing out to the likes of you, is that your attitude in expecting an instant fix would have seen Kendall sacked long before he win anything, it also funnily enough would have seen Ferguson given the sack at united, along with numerous other managers who endured a rough few years before their methods bore fruition.
By all.means though call for Silva to be sacked 4 months in, you'll.be crying two months later calling for big fat Sam back as you start bed wetting about a relegation battle we where never actually in.
I don't think it's just he 3 options you give mate. The problem is we are desperate for success and have allowed ourselves to become quite highly strung as a fanbase. It started to happen at the end of the Moyes time and has continued on since then. In truth the arrival of Moshiri has ratcheted it up another level. Unfortunately a few Evertonian's have given a load of stick out to some reds and now we can't handle a bit back so we panic when something doesn't go our own way.
The problem really is that the board doesn't really communicate very clearly. They should have said that it was a project under Moshiri and it would take time and patience, and we were looking to emulate a European model. We weren't looking to blitz people but build foundations to make ourselves a threat medium term. There's no direction from the top, people expected results too quickly and in the absence of that are ready to kick off.
Sacking Silva would be a really stupid thing to do. At best we would get a equivalent type of manager, who may or may not work well with Brands. The football world though would probably look at us like a poisoned chalice. Comfortably the 7th best squad in the league, miles behind the other 6 teams but a demand from the fan base to win trophies or they will want you out. Who in their right mind is going to risk that?
I'm all for criticising Silva but I'm not sure he got it that tactically wrong yesterday, we just executed the game plan terribly. We also have a right back and a goalkeeper who are giving goals away as well. Against the best teams you can't do that.
hktoffee
Birds of a feather flock together
But what makes you think Silva is as good as Kendall pal？For every success, there could be 20 failures.
Yesterday I think it's clear he got his tactics wrong in the sense we tried to go toe-to-toe with Spurs.
That's a good thing, to an extent, but given Gana's injury we just had no bite in midfield and it was far too easy for them.
Then again, it's not incorrect to say that a series of individual mistakes also played their part.
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