Manchester United

[wandyr79]

There is only one way to settle this

 

[duncs pigeon]

your still a joke of a club and always will be

Only in the eyes of supporters of two clubs- wonder who that could be,?

 

[JimmyJeffers]

your still a joke of a club and always will be

100%. City remind me of a guy that turns up golfing for the first time with all brand new, top of the range equipment. Wears full Ian Poulter gear.
Claims he was never working class and was self made but only has cash after his dad left him a tonne of inheritance after an industrial injury claim. Talks relentlessly about his Bitcoin investments. Wears too much aftershave all day

 

[catcherintherye]

But i am afraid they did not outspend every team Liverpool , Chesea , etc spent more or equal amounts from say the mid 90s onwards , these are facts United have spent more and wasted more since Fergie retired , your financial doping is the largest in English Football History, this is the truth why are you so defensive about it , you should enjoy your Oil and stop being obsessed with Manchester United

I've got respect for both Manchester teams mate, so not horse in the race, but could you explain to me what financial "doping" is and how it differs from "spending"?

I keep hearing this phrase a lot. Mainly from United and Liverpool fans, who in my lifetime have spent more money than pretty much anyone else. Is it just spending when you do it, but doping when someone else does it?

I dont really get it.

 

[EverTheOptimist]

100%. City remind me of a guy that turns up golfing for the first time with all brand new, top of the range equipment. Wears full Ian Poulter gear.
Claims he was never working class and was self made but only has cash after his dad left him a tonne of inheritance after an industrial injury claim. Talks relentlessly about his Bitcoin investments. Wears too much aftershave all day

One of the best posts i have seen describing nouveau riche City.

They'll never get credit or respect from the wider football community and it hurts them deep down, the money, oil, state ownership, always comes back at them.

 

[EverTheOptimist]

I've got respect for both Manchester teams mate, so not horse in the race, but could you explain to me what financial "doping" is and how it differs from "spending"?

I keep hearing this phrase a lot. Mainly from United and Liverpool fans, who in my lifetime have spent more money than pretty much anyone else. Is it just spending when you do it, but doping when someone else does it?

I dont really get it.

Noun. financial doping (uncountable) The situation in which the owner of a sports club or franchise invests his or her own personal wealth into securing highly talented players to better their chances of success, rather than relying on the revenue the franchise is able to generate for itself.

 

[PaulPowersTash]

Noun. financial doping (uncountable) The situation in which the owner of a sports club or franchise invests his or her own personal wealth into securing highly talented players to better their chances of success, rather than relying on the revenue the franchise is able to generate for itself.

Do you mean like the Littlewoods money?

 

[4737carlin]

100%. City remind me of a guy that turns up golfing for the first time with all brand new, top of the range equipment. Wears full Ian Poulter gear.
Claims he was never working class and was self made but only has cash after his dad left him a tonne of inheritance after an industrial injury claim. Talks relentlessly about his Bitcoin investments. Wears too much aftershave all day

I used to be a green keeper on a golf course, all the gear no idea types were hilarious and really stood out

 

[JimmyJeffers]

I used to be a green keeper on a golf course, all the gear no idea types were hilarious and really stood out

Used to live right next to one. Green keeping always looked a good job. Plenty of fresh air and good grafting. Early mornings though. I quite like playing golf but can’t be doing with a lot of the Man City fans that comes with it.

 

[EverTheOptimist]

Do you mean like the Littlewoods money?

If you are equating John Moores using his Littlewoods money to Everton and comparing it to your club who are owned by a OIL RICH STATE who have spent £2.5 billion on transfers in 13 years is like comparing a Mini to a Bugatti.

I can't recall or even read Everton breaking transfer records much in the 60's 70's 80's or 90's.

Did Everton break world transfer records (50-60 million )for fullbacks and CB's buying 8-9 times in a row until they got it right, did Moores have other companies pumping money into the club, like your owner does with Etihad, Etisalat, Aabar and the abu dhabi tourism vehicle that equate to 80% of your commercial revenues, how his own airline has the biggest debt of all airline carriers in the airline industry to the tune of billions (reported debt losses in 2015 were $1.5 billion) (operating losses in 2020 were $1.7 billion) but pays a football club £80 million a year as what was reported at the CAS trial.

Try again.

 

[PaulPowersTash]

If you are equating John Moores using his Littlewoods money to Everton and comparing it to your club who are owned by a OIL RICH STATE who have spent £2.5 billion on transfers in 13 years is like comparing a Mini to a Bugatti.

I can't recall or even read Everton breaking transfer records much in the 60's 70's 80's or 90's.

Did Everton break world transfer records (50-60 million )for fullbacks and CB's buying 8-9 times in a row until they got it right, did Moores have other companies pumping money into the club, like your owner does with Etihad, Etisalat, Aabar and the abu dhabi tourism vehicle that equate to 80% of your commercial revenues, how his own airline has the biggest debt of all airline carriers in the airline industry to the tune of billions (reported debt losses in 2015 were $1.5 billion) (operating losses in 2020 were $1.7 billion) but pays a football club £80 million a year as what was reported at the CAS trial.

Try again.

Thanks for that reply.
I was referring to the Littlewoods money invested into Liverpool.
Was that not 'financial doping' or was that legitimate 'investing'?

Emirates airline lost $3.8 billion in 2020 but continued to invest in Arsenal
and sponsor the FA Cup. That's Ok with you also I presume?

 

[catcherintherye]

Noun. financial doping (uncountable) The situation in which the owner of a sports club or franchise invests his or her own personal wealth into securing highly talented players to better their chances of success, rather than relying on the revenue the franchise is able to generate for itself.

So why is it doping is a shareholder wants to invest in their business and "spending" if it's deemed what the franchises money is being spent?

Am I also correct in saying that both Liverpool and Manchester United franchises owe their shareholders/owners hundreds of millions of pounds? So you can benefit from having the shareholder lending you money to allow you to grow your business and spend. But if the shareholder invests that money into players it becomes doping?

I appreciate the answer, but I can't seem to make any sense of this.

 

[catcherintherye]

Thanks for that reply.
I was referring to the Littlewoods money invested into Liverpool.
Was that not 'financial doping' or was that legitimate 'investing'?

Emirates airline lost $3.8 billion in 2020 but continued to invest in Arsenal
and sponsor the FA Cup. That's Ok with you also I presume?

Littlewoods put more into Everton than Liverpool to be fair, and if such a thing as doping exists it would be doping yes. This is what I mean though, it seems a very inconsistent application to me.

 

[catcherintherye]

If you are equating John Moores using his Littlewoods money to Everton and comparing it to your club who are owned by a OIL RICH STATE who have spent £2.5 billion on transfers in 13 years is like comparing a Mini to a Bugatti.

I can't recall or even read Everton breaking transfer records much in the 60's 70's 80's or 90's.

Did Everton break world transfer records (50-60 million )for fullbacks and CB's buying 8-9 times in a row until they got it right, did Moores have other companies pumping money into the club, like your owner does with Etihad, Etisalat, Aabar and the abu dhabi tourism vehicle that equate to 80% of your commercial revenues, how his own airline has the biggest debt of all airline carriers in the airline industry to the tune of billions (reported debt losses in 2015 were $1.5 billion) (operating losses in 2020 were $1.7 billion) but pays a football club £80 million a year as what was reported at the CAS trial.

Try again.

Hold on mate, let's go back to the definition provided.

Can you point to me where it lists what the background of the investor is in terms of financial doping? Or is it only investors from a certain part of the world that are subject to this?

Secondly, Everton did break transfer records in the 60's. We broke the record to sign Alan Ball if memory serves me correctly. Manchester City have never broken the record.

I'm also not sure what record they've broken on centre halves either. The record was broken first by Liverpool then matched by Manchester United for Maguire and Van Dijk. So if we are using the template of breaking transfer records is doping, then it's Liverpool and United that are doping, and not City, surely?

As the final point of where they get the sponsorship from, why does this matter? How is this any different from Aon or Nike sponsorship United or Liverpool? They both exist in the same country as the clubs owners? So again if thats a sign of doping, they are both doping aren't again aren't they?

I'm not trying to be an @rse here, but I have never seen an explanation of doping that is not highly contradictory and with all due respect yours is filled with contradictions. I'm not saying what City are doing issn't wrong either, but it's no different to lots of other teams, particularly those who seem to point the finger the most.

 

[Thomasc]

100%. City remind me of a guy that turns up golfing for the first time with all brand new, top of the range equipment. Wears full Ian Poulter gear.
Claims he was never working class and was self made but only has cash after his dad left him a tonne of inheritance after an industrial injury claim. Talks relentlessly about his Bitcoin investments. Wears too much aftershave all day

Doesn’t work for me that analogy.
They are pumping money into football as a serious project, they should be admired not sneered at. They have improved the surrounding areas, put money into development etc..all the things you would want your football club doing.
Sneering at it just reeks of jealousy and we’d lap it up if it was offered to us.