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[Pour les Bleus]

We shouldn't accept that. I don't accept that. We need to do everything in our power to stop these people.

As for religion, that's a ridiculous comment. Billions upon billions of people through the ages have been religious and not set out to massacre kids. Get off your moral high horse.

The problem is those who use religion as an excuse mate, nothing else. They are justifying their actions by using religion (in the name of..) as their reasoning. No moral high horse here. Anyway, not the thread as has been pointed out.

 

[davids]

A French author and journalist, Octave Mirbeau, wrote what can be translated as "The greatest danger of bombs is in the explosion of stupidity that they provoke."
He wrote this in 1894...
We never learn.

 

[Hogwild]

I just really can't comprehend. Not the terror of what happened... Unfortunately, sadly, inexplicably the sort of thing seen last night has entered into our collective mindset as the result of a terrorist incident - and all of us - sadly even our children - understand what that means. That phrase, to our detriment, has meaning across the globe and people comprehend immediately the.....destruction, loss of life and yes - sheer terror - associated with it.

What I can't wrap my mind around is how a person, a human, with brain and heart can be so lost, so warped, so disenfranchised as to believe that the solution to something, to anything was to take innocent lives, particularly in a venue guaranteed to be filled with children. To conceive of such an idea is bad enough, but to plan, and then go through with it speaks of just.......either an evil or perhaps a hopelessness so deep, so utterly depraved and lost that I just cannot fathom it.

To the poor families of those impacted by this I hope that in some way the love and support from around the globe brings them some hope in the human spirit. I'm afraid that if I were in their position I would likely not be able to summon such hope.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Nah.
People are perfectly capable of evil with and without religion, just as they are also capable of wonderful good kind things.
Get off the pulpit and wind it in please mate, this is neither the time nor the place.

I 100% agree that people are perfectly capable of evil with and without religion, just as they are also capable of wonderful good kinds things.

The problem with many religions is that they provide the mouthpiece, the built in defense, to carry out atrocities in the name of their god.

I understand this is not fair to the non-extreme believers of [name your religion] but the reality is many people do terrible things in the name of their religions, and I'm not just talking about blowing people up. Little, minor things that happen every day, discriminations here and there, are also done in the name of religion.

 

[Kiwi]

Religion of course has been the start of a lot of conflict. Not sure this is the best time to discuss it though, maybe still way too soon.

Also, I'd say it's a terrorist problem as opposed to a religious issue but that's for another day.

We manage perfectly fine to get into conflict without religion Groucho, that's a colossal cop out of an answer.
Being human is the cause of conflict, we all have different drives, beliefs, desires and motivators and conflict spirals out of that.

 

[Pour les Bleus]

I just really can't comprehend. Not the terror of what happened... Unfortunately, sadly, inexplicably the sort of thing seen last night has entered into our collective mindset as the result of a terrorist incident - and all of us - sadly even our children - understand what that means. That phrase, to our detriment, has meaning across the globe and people comprehend immediately the.....destruction, loss of life and yes - sheer terror - associated with it.

What I can't wrap my mind around is how a person, a human, with brain and heart can be so lost, so warped, so disenfranchised as to believe that the solution to something, to anything was to take innocent lives, particularly in a venue guaranteed to be filled with children. To conceive of such an idea is bad enough, but to plan, and then go through with it speaks of just.......either an evil or perhaps a hopelessness so deep, so utterly depraved and lost that I just cannot fathom it.

To the poor families of those impacted by this I hope that in some way the love and support from around the globe brings them some hope in the human spirit. I'm afraid that if I were in their position I would likely not be able to summon such hope.

A great post; very touching. Thanks for those words.

... and the eyes are filling up again.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Religion of course has been the start of a lot of conflict. Not sure this is the best time to discuss it though, maybe still way too soon.

Also, I'd say it's a terrorist problem as opposed to a religious issue but that's for another day.

I agree. It's just very frustrating. Probably not the best time (or the place certainly) to voice this. My sincere apologies

 

[bazzer25]

I 100% agree that people are perfectly capable of evil with and without religion, just as they are also capable of wonderful good kinds things.

The problem with many religions is that they provide the mouthpiece, the built in defense, to carry out atrocities in the name of their god.

I understand this is not fair to the non-extreme believers of [name your religion] but the reality is many people do terrible things in the name of their religions, and I'm not just talking about blowing people up. Little, minor things that happen every day, discriminations here and there, are also done in the name of religion.

Yes and people are perfectly capable of and do the the things you mention without religion, everyday.

 

[jackyboy]

That has really upset me, only 8 years old. Probably one of her first gigs. Absolutely sickening.

 

[Kiwi]

I 100% agree that people are perfectly capable of evil with and without religion, just as they are also capable of wonderful good kinds things.

The problem with many religions is that they provide the mouthpiece, the built in defense, to carry out atrocities in the name of their god.

I understand this is not fair to the non-extreme believers of [name your religion] but the reality is many people do terrible things in the name of their religions, and I'm not just talking about blowing people up. Little, minor things that happen every day, discriminations here and there, are also done in the name of religion.

So then the root of evil is actually in humanity instead of religion.
Some people will find any excuse, religion or not.
This isn't the time or place to discuss this though.

 

[bazzer25]

We manage perfectly fine to get into conflict without religion Groucho, that's a colossal cop out of an answer.
Being human is the cause of conflict, we all have different drives, beliefs, desires and motivators and conflict spirals out of that.

Agree, don't know why people resort to that when just a look through history shows you otherwise.

 

[heatmeiser]

So then the root of evil is actually in humanity instead of religion.
Some people will find any excuse, religion or not.
This isn't the time or place to discuss this though.

Then stop replying to every single post that is mentioning religion in a bad light then?

 

[Kiwi]

Then stop replying to every single post mentioning religion in a bad light then?

Hence why it was my last post on the subject

 

[Toast]

That has really upset me, only 8 years old. Probably one of her first gigs. Absolutely sickening.

I think that the fact that its clearly been targeted at kids is what has got genuine anger flowing.
I'm sure others have thought the same as myself.. and thats 'whats next' ?
Nothing is now beyond comprehension..
Kids theme parks ? Anything is possible.

 

[Karl Emil]

A French author and journalist, Octave Mirbeau, wrote what can be translated as "The greatest danger of bombs is in the explosion of stupidity that they provoke."
He wrote this in 1894...
We never learn.

You're so smart and insightful