Management Revamp

[matty1878]

Sorry if there's a similar post... But I think we need to revamp from bottom to top...

Dunk and Rhino are legends in their own right... But I do wonder how much they effect new ideas and methods in the day to day running of the club!

If a new manager is to come in, then it should be from the U16s onwards...

My thoughts only...

Sorry mate your on crack.

 

[Lanolin]

Unsworth has failed at his job of improving young players to the standard required to play in the first team. We still have 23, 24, 25 year old players playing for our under 23s who have no hope of making it, a waste of a squad place at the club.

That has to be on Brands though, surely? What else does a director of football do if not give direction on football matters? If we're picking players of that age (which we're not, as it happens) then you have to assume either Brands is saying it's OK/telling him to do it, hasn't actually paid any attention whatsoever to our junior team and so doesn't even realise it's happening, or is so bad at his job that he can't even make the under 23 manager follow his instructions.

 

[MikeH72]

That has to be on Brands though, surely? What else does a director of football do if not give direction on football matters? If we're picking players of that age (which we're not, as it happens) then you have to assume either Brands is saying it's OK/telling him to do it, hasn't actually paid any attention whatsoever to our junior team and so doesn't even realise it's happening, or is so bad at his job that he can't even make the under 23 manager follow his instructions.

I think this goes beyond Brands. I believe Unsworth, along with Duncan Ferguson is being kept at the club by someone else.

 

[Lanolin]

I think this goes beyond Brands. I believe Unsworth, along with Duncan Ferguson is being kept at the club by someone else.

Oh I have no doubt about that. All clubs do it really, it's par for the course. Doesn't change the point at hand though, what is the director of football actually doing if he's not having an impact on what happens in the junior teams, the first teams style of play etc? He's just a glorified scout if the things that people are claiming on here are true, and not a particularly good one on recent evidence. Is that really what we think?

 

[MikeH72]

Oh I have no doubt about that. All clubs do it really, it's par for the course. Doesn't change the point at hand though, what is the director of football actually doing if he's not having an impact on what happens in the junior teams, the first teams style of play etc? He's just a glorified scout if the things that people are claiming on here are true, and not a particularly good one on recent evidence. Is that really what we think?

Unfortunately I don't think he's been given the freedom to run the club how he wants it. If he had his way, he would fire Unsworth out of an XXXL cannon I have no doubt about it.

 

[Lanolin]

Unfortunately I don't think he's been given the freedom to run the club how he wants it. If he had his way, he would fire Unsworth out of an XXXL cannon I have no doubt about it.

Playing devils advocate though, what does that say about him? He's accepted a seat on the board and is happy to sit there as the face of the club in many ways, and yet we're saying he quite readily accepts not actually being able to do the job he was supposed to be hired for? I'd honestly hope he'd have the integrity to walk if that was the case, I certainly would.

 

[MikeH72]

Playing devils advocate though, what does that say about him? He's accepted a seat on the board and is happy to sit there as the face of the club in many ways, and yet we're saying he quite readily accepts not actually being able to do the job he was supposed to be hired for? I'd honestly hope he'd have the integrity to walk if that was the case, I certainly would.

That's my worry actually. Hopefully the elephant in the room will be gone in the not too distant future.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Unfortunately I don't think he's been given the freedom to run the club how he wants it. If he had his way, he would fire Unsworth out of an XXXL cannon I have no doubt about it.

Or maybe they're just running down the contracts on the support staff they think are garbage but not really doing any harm... Saves money on payouts and avoids the fallout of canning a well known figure in the club's history.

 

[degsy]

I think its silly to assume that Dunc has any major input other than putting cones out and telling people to run faster in training.
Personally.
But there have been quite a behind the scenes movement over the last few years.

This Re Dunc.
Roberto-I've a physio cert-martinez, cleared out some Moyeses fitness guys and we became hamstring central...Osman nailed him with 'Martinez's hardest day is like Moyes's easy day'
Mr Physio Cert allegedly overruled the fitness pros and some more walked.
Lennon came in and Baines said he showed everone up in training effort.
Then there were people allegedly sent home for poor attitude
I don't think its got any better in the interim...and don't even start me on mental fitness

So yeah root and branch clear out

Fitness isn't hard. There is no big secret formula, all the basics of what is essential middle distance running, have been out there for ages. Throw in some specialised knee and ankle joint stuff and there you go...drugs, chemical, etc, not included...short version; the right food, hard work, recovery and discipline - repeat.
But you can't skimp on hard work and discipline. This apparent CBAd is a worry

 

[scratchnsurf]

Unsworth has failed at his job of improving young players to the standard required to play in the first team. We still have 23, 24, 25 year old players playing for our under 23s who have no hope of making it, a waste of a squad place at the club.

Or he has been fairly successful by winning competitions with his teams whilst at the same time progressing players from the academy to being professional football players, some of whom we receive fees for.

 

[degsy]

I think this goes beyond Brands. I believe Unsworth, along with Duncan Ferguson is being kept at the club by someone else.

Couldn't begin to think who you mean, iirc, somebody paid the 1st years worth of pigeon food sorry wages, £90,000 out of his own pocket...whoever that may be.
Its all a bit Allo Allo / René and the Resistance - Of whom I have no knowledge of and I have never met

 

[zzr45]

Or he has been fairly successful by winning competitions with his teams whilst at the same time progressing players from the academy to being professional football players, some of whom we receive fees for.

That isn't the point of an academy though. It's a very nice, fluffy, sentimental way of looking at an academy, but it's there to develop young players to come into a first team and be able to excel at the level we are at.

Our entire academy setup is massively flawed. I know I came back on a flight from Germany once with what appeared to be Everton u12's who'd been away for the weekend at whatever cost to the club to play in a tournament (say maybe £500 per kid - about 25 kids) and you wonder what we actually get back off that. This weekend I coached against a school that Villa feed their youth into - still have 14, 15 year olds playing different sports to help their athletic development. Two different styles, one more wasteful than the other.

 

[MikeH72]

Or he has been fairly successful by winning competitions with his teams whilst at the same time progressing players from the academy to being professional football players, some of whom we receive fees for.

The only player that’s come close to being a regular Premier League player is Tom Davies. It’s not Unsworth’s job to produce players to sell on for £500k at the age of 23 to League 1 teams.

 

[brieverton]

It doesn't stack up that Brands was fully on board with Silva's appointment.

I'm not defending him (Brands) but in this aspect, the worst that can be levelled at him is that he didn't stop the appointment if he disagreed with it but that all seems last minute to me and the wheels were already very much in motion. It would be asking a lot (though very brave) for Brands to rock up at Finch Farm and say he wasn't having Silva, at a time people were still reeling from Allardyce and desperate for an appointment asap.

Moshiri wanted Silva in November and Brands was appointed the following June. There is no doubt obviously that he was aware of Moshiri's first choice but all the while he was employed by PSV and surely therefore entirely focused on them?

If Silva goes and the whole process to recruit and appoint a successor isn't fully within Brands control and remit, then his DOF role is primarily redundant and meaningless. Whatever the valid criticisms levelled at Brands for the summer transfer window, I at least expect him to drive the hire and fire process if it happens, and not to go for another flavour of the month manager with a paltry CV.

Most importantly, any new appointment should be made as quickly as possible after any announcement that Silva is gone. Given the air of crisis at the club, and the predisposition to panic, we cannot under any circumstances have a repeat of the aftermath of Koeman's sacking. Under no circumstances.

It would be interesting to see who would ultimately end up in the dug-out after a Brands-led process. I don't think we can land any "big" name and we might get a left-field appointment. Nor do I think Brands and the club will go for someone like Eddie Howe and pick a costly compensation fight with another PL club.

 

[degsy]

It doesn't stack up that Brands was fully on board with Silva's appointment.

I'm not defending him (Brands) but in this aspect, the worst that can be levelled at him is that he didn't stop the appointment if he disagreed with it but that all seems last minute to me and the wheels were already very much in motion. It would be asking a lot (though very brave) for Brands to rock up at Finch Farm and say he wasn't having Silva, at a time people were still reeling from Allardyce and desperate for an appointment asap.

Moshiri wanted Silva in November and Brands was appointed the following June. There is no doubt obviously that he was aware of Moshiri's first choice but all the while he was employed by PSV and surely therefore entirely focused on them?

If Silva goes and the whole process to recruit and appoint a successor isn't fully within Brands control and remit, then his DOF role is primarily redundant and meaningless. Whatever the valid criticisms levelled at Brands for the summer transfer window, I at least expect him to drive the hire and fire process if it happens, and not to go for another flavour of the month manager with a paltry CV.

Most importantly, any new appointment should be made as quickly as possible after any announcement that Silva is gone. Given the air of crisis at the club, and the predisposition to panic, we cannot under any circumstances have a repeat of the aftermath of Koeman's sacking. Under no circumstances.

It would be interesting to see who would ultimately end up in the dug-out after a Brands-led process. I don't think we can land any "big" name and we might get a left-field appointment. Nor do I think Brands and the club will go for someone like Eddie Howe and pick a costly compensation fight with another PL club.

Probably had to say that

His mate Cuco must be in the frame.