Lifes A Pitch (Moyes would like to leave)

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Aidey9 said:
Really dont get that arguement at all!. Peoeple say we punch above are weight all the time as if are team isnt that good and its all down to Moyes where we are, what a load of bollox!. Yes, he's a good manager and gets us doing well, but we have got some good players in our side, alot of players other top teams like and would want!.

You cant tell me that IF we had another manager in with our players, they wouldnt do well and we'd be mid table or whatever?!. IF we made the right appointment, im sure the new manager would get are players playing and performing to a similar level cos some, or should i say alot, of our players are good players!.

I wont have anyone tell me that alot of our players are mearly average joes and Moyes gets that extra 20% out of them to play above themselves and there ture ability, no way!.

Basically IMO, what your saying when you say are team far exceeds where it should be, is that the likes of Baines, Felli, Jags, Pienaar, Mirallas, Gibbo, Distin, Ossie, Jelavic, Coleman etc would not be so good if it wasnt for Moyesies management, they wouldnt be the players they are today without him and under someone else?!.

Dont buy that at all. They are all good players, some better than others and most would all do well at bigger clubs!.
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Because Moyes is very good, this appointment will have to be something special to improve us until we get some real funding, fortunately this is a really good time to be a prem manager as money is about to happen, whoever is in charge really has this one opportunity to make a push..
Alternatively the money will not come due to the board and the manager will literally have to follow on from Moyes.

In which case, whereas season 1 often goes well for a new manager, he'll then have to face an Everton transfer window where he will have to strengthen the squad to stand still, but be expected to move forwards, and also to do so by selling a player for 10mil and buying one for 5mil.

Also you've misconstrued my meaning of exceeding where we should be mate, I meant in a financial/league position kind of way. All those players you mentioned that are quality were bought by Moyes on a net spend of a few million quid. They are quality and that's why we are fighting for a European place again, but because of the financial restraints, we still have a small squad that makes things difficult.
I love the squads Moyes builds. its the main reason I am such a Moyes fan, without him we wouldn't of had many of Arteta, Cahill, Baines, Pienaar, Lescott, Jags, Mirallas, Gibson, Fellaini and a horde of other quality players he's bought in.

And whilst Moyes strengthens every season with new bargain basement players, those around us strengthen with mega bucks signings or multiple squad players, he still keeps up.

This is the challenge for the new manager.
To be better than Moyes he has to be

*Tactically sound
*Exciting to watch
*Win cups
*Do well in the league
*Not make unrectifiable mistakes in the transfer market
*constantly buy good players year on year for less money than the players he sells
*keep us challenging for Europe

Thats not to mention slating his boss, being cheap on wages, playing young players irregardless of if they are good enough and also not slip up in the media.

I'm still not convinced that's the likes of Martinez who sits in the relegation zone at the current time that so many are raving about.
 
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I really can't stand all this net spend league table nonsense. I've made this point before, but it is true; if there was a direct correlation between expenditure and performance then you would be able to make a killing at the bookies, but you can't and nobody does.

It's not how much money you spend, but how you spend the money that counts, which is why Moyes is a very valuable asset. Liverpool are an example of money being spent badly, and I take it they are (cliche alert!) 'punching below their weight' whilst Everton are eternally 'punching above their weight'? It's a load of metaphorical nonsense, because there's no weigh in and there's no jabbing, just one manager spending their money better than the other. Something which has happened for years.

There is a 'glass ceiling' that is hard to penetrate in the Premier League, with 4 Champions League places being fought over by 4 or 5 clubs who are willing to spend an awful lot more money than the likes of Everton to try and get there and stay there. But from 5th place downwards I'd imagine that there are more than a few 'anomalies' taking place. Everton doing better than Liverpool, Swansea doing better than Newcastle, West Brom doing better than Villa, Wigan doing better than QPR. How many anomalies do there have to be before you acknowledge that there isn't a direct correlation?

Moyes isn't breaking the rules of physics, he is just very good at spending his money wisely, which is an asset or a skill that is worth it's weight in gold in today's football, so I think we would be mad to get rid of him! But the day I start subscribing to the notion that "Financially, Everton should be finishing 14th" Is the day I jack football in.

Fortunately, football is still a team game where loads of random ****e can still happen over the course of 90 minutes. And as Everton and other clubs prove, there is not a direct correlation between expenditure and performance, thank god!
 
Essex Blue said:
I really can't stand all this net spend league table nonsense. I've made this point before, but it is true; if there was a direct correlation between expenditure and performance then you would be able to make a killing at the bookies, but you can't and nobody does.

It's not how much money you spend, but how you spend the money that counts, which is why Moyes is a very valuable asset. Liverpool are an example of money being spent badly, and I take it they are (cliche alert!) 'punching below their weight' whilst Everton are eternally 'punching above their weight'? It's a load of metaphorical nonsense, because there's no weigh in and there's no jabbing, just one manager spending their money better than the other. Something which has happened for years.

There is a 'glass ceiling' that is hard to penetrate in the Premier League, with 4 Champions League places being fought over by 4 or 5 clubs who are willing to spend an awful lot more money than the likes of Everton to try and get there and stay there. But from 5th place downwards I'd imagine that there are more than a few 'anomalies' taking place. Everton doing better than Liverpool, Swansea doing better than Newcastle, West Brom doing better than Villa, Wigan doing better than QPR. How many anomalies do there have to be before you acknowledge that there isn't a direct correlation?

Moyes isn't breaking the rules of physics, he is just very good at spending his money wisely, which is an asset or a skill that is worth it's weight in gold in today's football, so I think we would be mad to get rid of him! But the day I start subscribing to the notion that "Financially, Everton should be finishing 14th" Is the day I jack football in.

Fortunately, football is still a team game where loads of random ****e can still happen over the course of 90 minutes. And as Everton and other clubs prove, there is not a direct correlation between expenditure and performance, thank god!
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This really.

We're fortunate to have someone like Moyes who is a wise guy in the transfer market. If we didn't have him here we'd be an average mid table team IMO. That's what fans tend to forget nowadays.
 
David Moyes, the first manager in our history to be branded a genius without winning anything. He's been very good, but that's it. When he goes it really won't be the end of the world....
 

i would like to see us with a different manager just to see if we really will miss moyes

i know it sounds stupid, like why would you get rid of something that has served you so well but i want to take the risk and see what happens, yes it could go ****, but heck if swansea can win a trophy in brian laudrup's first year in charge of the club then surely it could happen to us too.
 
Brennan said:
On average over the 11 years, and versus other premiership teams, we're 7 places higher than our finances dictate, and that is down mostly to David Moyes' transfer activity and subsequent use of those players.

Every team who finishes above us in the league spends way more than we do, and there are 6 or 7 teams below us who also spend more. We're a financial anomaly.
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where are you getting those figures? The best indicator of league position is wage bill as opposed to net spend. We have, I believe, the 9th highest wage bill in the league. Of those below us, only Villa and S'land have higher wage bills. So we are probably about 2 places above where we should be.
 

Billy Dean said:
where are you getting those figures? The best indicator of league position is wage bill as opposed to net spend. We have, I believe, the 9th highest wage bill in the league. Of those below us, only Villa and S'land have higher wage bills. So we are probably about 2 places above where we should be.
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oh, forgot the ****e as well :)
 
Ihaters said:
Because Moyes is very good, this appointment will have to be something special to improve us until we get some real funding, fortunately this is a really good time to be a prem manager as money is about to happen, whoever is in charge really has this one opportunity to make a push..
Alternatively the money will not come due to the board and the manager will literally have to follow on from Moyes.

In which case, whereas season 1 often goes well for a new manager, he'll then have to face an Everton transfer window where he will have to strengthen the squad to stand still, but be expected to move forwards, and also to do so by selling a player for 10mil and buying one for 5mil.

Also you've misconstrued my meaning of exceeding where we should be mate, I meant in a financial/league position kind of way. All those players you mentioned that are quality were bought by Moyes on a net spend of a few million quid. They are quality and that's why we are fighting for a European place again, but because of the financial restraints, we still have a small squad that makes things difficult.
I love the squads Moyes builds. its the main reason I am such a Moyes fan, without him we wouldn't of had many of Arteta, Cahill, Baines, Pienaar, Lescott, Jags, Mirallas, Gibson, Fellaini and a horde of other quality players he's bought in.

And whilst Moyes strengthens every season with new bargain basement players, those around us strengthen with mega bucks signings or multiple squad players, he still keeps up.

This is the challenge for the new manager.
To be better than Moyes he has to be

*Tactically sound
*Exciting to watch
*Win cups
*Do well in the league
*Not make unrectifiable mistakes in the transfer market
*constantly buy good players year on year for less money than the players he sells
*keep us challenging for Europe

Thats not to mention slating his boss, being cheap on wages, playing young players irregardless of if they are good enough and also not slip up in the media.

I'm still not convinced that's the likes of Martinez who sits in the relegation zone at the current time that so many are raving about.
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With the 3 points I've highlighted, the others would be irrelevant.

The other word I've highlighted doesn't exist. Make it 'regardless'.*











*Sorry mate. Woke up in one of my pedantic moods.
 
Jamo Martinez said:
With the 3 points I've highlighted, the others would be irrelevant.

The other word I've highlighted doesn't exist. Make it 'regardless'.*











*Sorry mate. Woke up in one of my pedantic moods.
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lol

You wont get the highlighted ones without the others though..

Irregardless by the way is a word that dates back to the 1700's, I have a preferred use of regardless when finishing a sentence.. and irregardless during, but I change, dependent on which sounds better to me.

Its an accepted word but I believe classed often as non standard. Its still perfectly acceptable in modern language.

This guy likes it anyway and its worth noting that amongst the over the top points made, he points out that its a word acceptable in scrabble which makes it okay in my book...
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-9796217-1.html
 
I don't believe Moyes is sat waiting for another offer to roll in....I'm more comfortable with the view that he's finally put big pressure on the Board, and Bill in particular, to fund the next phase. January was a massive, massive disappointment to Moyes and a huge, almost fatal, backward step for Everton as a Club. We were in or around 4th spot, 10 or so points above the Dark Side and building up a head of steam. The backing didn't come, the wheels came off and there's a whiff of desperation about the place.
I'd trust Moyes to augment the current squad effectively enough with a reasonably comparative amount of cash to that being spent by Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool and Newcastle etc and to finish above them. The squad we have is good but needs a few obvious additions. I'd expect a new boss to come in, sell the main men and put his own stamp on it....which, in he current climate would take reasonably 5 years.

Each to his own in terms of Moyes to stay or Moyes to go ..... However, the vorosity of some of the verbal backlash he's getting on here is embarrassing considering the stability he's brought in his tenure......some deserve Owen Coyle.
 

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