Let's not kid ourselves

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Tubey said:
It's a reflection on me being able to see the standard of opposition we've generally played, then look at who we have to play, and assess the depth of the overall squad.

So yes, it probably is a reflection on me - as in someone who can look beyond the surface and see something deeper.

The original post in this thread is much more likely than the blind belief we'll be anywhere near the European places this year. We'll finish 10+ points off.
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Well you are in the top 2% Tubey, so I'm not surprised most of us aren't seeing it as you do lol
 

ilikecheese said:
Welcome to GrandOldTeam where the sky has been falling since 2007. Enjoy.
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Not true. This place was overly positive, until two things happened: firstly, @davek introduced us to the possibility that Kenright was Kenwrong. He fought on his own for years on that until everyone saw the light. Secondly, Kipper closed and the (naughty word) transferred here.
 
Elong said:
Not true. This place was overly positive, until two things happened: firstly, @davek introduced us to the possibility that Kenright was Kenwrong. He fought on his own for years on that until everyone saw the light. Secondly, Kipper closed and the (naughty word) transferred here.
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The sky was falling long before Kipper closed mate...class of 2K9 missed maybe what you're on about.
 

Woolverhampton_Blue said:
Personally I'd like us to take an Atletico Mardrid type approach of regaining our status. Instil a good manager, build a strong club ethos, develop a transfer policy of buying good players that fit the type of style we want to play and buy into the 'project'. So far it seems we may be doing something similar. We got Koeman, he seems to be trying to build a strong team spirit, Walsh has been brought in to oversee player recruitment (Gueye and Williams both being good examples of players that we needed and who we could attract). The stadium and being better at the commercial side of football will also take time. I'm optimistic but will give it time before forming a firm opinion.
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I think we do need more players like Gueye and Williams as you said. In any team, you need the right mix of players who have a lot of fight in them, as well as those with that bit of quality to win you games when the more limited players can't. Take Leicester last season for example. Most of their first 11 were hard workers but they also had Mahrez and Vardy who could win them games through skill or pure goal scoring ability. We have some of that mix, but a lot of our players are mentally weak.

I honestly think in a hypothetical situation if we got 8 players from the Moyes era and added Gueye, Lukaku and then one of Bolasie/Deulofeu/Barkley, we'd be challenging for the top 4 with ease. We don't have any fighters like Cahill either. Someone who will wind the opposition up and get in the refs face.

Hopefully Walsh and Koeman will work on that in the next season or two as this squad, for all their talent, are far too weak when the pressure is on.
 
ted45 said:
Everton are a mid-table side. I suspect this season will end with us: P38 W13 D 12 L13 Pts 51. I think that the European places will go to United, City. Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool. I doubt that we will win any cups because that requires an element of luck (and Everton don't do luck). And I cannot see the next transfer windows producing anything but the in and out of a few journeymen, because top players don't want to know us because we are not in Europe.
I wish that I didn't believe this but I cannot convince myself otherwise.
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Well then.

See you all next summer then!
 
Shropshire Blue said:
Had we beaten Burnley we still would have been 2pts off the top with only 29 games to play. It doesn't look good. Teams with ambition just don't lose at the likes of Burnley. Look at Southampton - drawing at the probable league champions, Spurs still beating most teams they play, last year's champions now on a roll and W Ham taking on the world with their stadium.
It's going to be a long hard season, even more so if one spends too much time reading this forum!
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*Looks at Liverpool*
*Looks at league table*
*Looks at Liverpool*

*Looks at Southampton result at Man City*
*Looks at Evertons result at Man City*

*Looks at West Ham*
*Laughs hysterically*
 
MartyMcFly said:
The top 6 are a good bit ahead of us. If we come 7th we might have a chance of Europe depending on the who wins and he cups.
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Agreed.

They were ahead of us last year and have all improved their squads far better than we did in the summer. In addition three of them have upgraded their managers and the other 3 already have world class managers in place.

If we were to play catch up, then we needed to on board a class GK, CB, CM, playmaker and support striker during the summer. The latter two positions were an absolute priority, and our failure in this regard is why Saturday's result will be replicated more than once throughout the rest of the season.

With the current squad, 7th is the best we can aim for, and a distant 7th at that. That's not being negative. In fact I think it's quite positive given the relative squads.

However I'm not in the camp that feels it's all doom and gloom. I believe that Mosh will back Walsh/ Koeman over the next couple of transfer windows, albeit we may need to go after the players with potential rather than the finished article. Our standing isn't quite there yet. Plus I believe that it will take longer for Koeman to demartinezize (that should be a new word for the concise Oxford!!) or replace the existing players and inject his own style on the club. It will take a minimum of 2 transfer windows but I'm confident he'll get there.;)

In the meantime we just need to be both realistic and patient. I know that's hard as we've been starved of success for so long and our expectations coming into this season were so high. Or mine were at least.
 

Barnfred 55 said:
Agreed.

They were ahead of us last year and have all improved their squads far better than we did in the summer. In addition three of them have upgraded their managers and the other 3 already have world class managers in place.

If we were to play catch up, then we needed to on board a class GK, CB, CM, playmaker and support striker during the summer. The latter two positions were an absolute priority, and our failure in this regard is why Saturday's result will be replicated more than once throughout the rest of the season.

With the current squad, 7th is the best we can aim for, and a distant 7th at that. That's not being negative. In fact I think it's quite positive given the relative squads.

However I'm not in the camp that feels it's all doom and gloom. I believe that Mosh will back Walsh/ Koeman over the next couple of transfer windows, albeit we may need to go after the players with potential rather than the finished article. Our standing isn't quite there yet. Plus I believe that it will take longer for Koeman to demartinezize (that should be a new word for the concise Oxford!!) or replace the existing players and inject his own style on the club. It will take a minimum of 2 transfer windows but I'm confident he'll get there.;)

In the meantime we just need to be both realistic and patient. I know that's hard as we've been starved of success for so long and our expectations coming into this season were so high. Or mine were at least.
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7th is about right, and to be honest I don't think snagging a European spot due to a cup win from someone else would do us any good at all.

There are things to be optimistic about, but there is no way our current squad could cope with an extra competition to play in and I doubt the next two transfer windows will turn that around.

We may be taking small steps in the right direction, with lots of sideways and backwards steps thrown in too, but we aren't going to leap forwards that much in a season.
 
b-rad said:
7th is about right, and to be honest I don't think snagging a European spot due to a cup win from someone else would do us any good at all.

There are things to be optimistic about, but there is no way our current squad could cope with an extra competition to play in and I doubt the next two transfer windows will turn that around.

We may be taking small steps in the right direction, with lots of sideways and backwards steps thrown in too, but we aren't going to leap forwards that much in a season.
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I'd quite like to snag a European spot due to a cup win for ourselves though.:)
 

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