Leighton Baines

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By god I'm blue said:
Just read that, you make a very good point.

We need to hold out for 18m minimum now.
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I'd be looking for 20mil though 18mil is a very good price for a left back at his peak.

He's gone of that I'm certain so the question is -- how much?
 

Must say I'm amazed that some think Baines would be wanting to stay here over a big money move to utd. At his age, with us under new management and a new era, most likely just challanging to keep ourselves top 6 with no European football and approaching a WC year....And current rumored transfer targets hardly making for great reading well....

I'm sure he loves efc and being here but versus a big payday/wage packet, playing with some of the best players in Europe challanging for the PL titles and CL title, working with a boss and coaching staff who knows him very well and giving himself the best possible chance of nailing down that No.3 shirt for brazil in the summer.......

Can't see any chance of him staying myself. Sure moyes going after him shows that he knows Baines would be open to the right move somewhere.....Hope kenwright gets as much cash as possible!
 
Christiffa25 said:
Must say I'm amazed that some think Baines would be wanting to stay here over a big money move to utd. At his age, with us under new management and a new era, most likely just challanging to keep ourselves top 6 with no European football and approaching a WC year....And current rumored transfer targets hardly making for great reading well....

I'm sure he loves efc and being here but versus a big payday/wage packet, playing with some of the best players in Europe challanging for the PL titles and CL title, working with a boss and coaching staff who knows him very well and giving himself the best possible chance of nailing down that No.3 shirt for brazil in the summer.......

Can't see any chance of him staying myself. Sure moyes going after him shows that he knows Baines would be open to the right move somewhere.....Hope kenwright gets as much cash as possible!
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According to some people in the know he's very happy staying with us mate, but as ever we shall see.
 
Elong said:
According to some people in the know he's very happy staying with us mate, but as ever we shall see.
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The fact is that if moyes doesnt get him:

Evra will be alienated.
Fans will think he's weak
Squad disrupted

So he needs to sign baines. There is no way he would bid if baines wasnt open to the move.

He's about to go, just the price now...i think 18mil with some add ons.
 
Christiffa25 said:
Must say I'm amazed that some think Baines would be wanting to stay here over a big money move to utd. At his age, with us under new management and a new era, most likely just challanging to keep ourselves top 6 with no European football and approaching a WC year....And current rumored transfer targets hardly making for great reading well....

I'm sure he loves efc and being here but versus a big payday/wage packet, playing with some of the best players in Europe challanging for the PL titles and CL title, working with a boss and coaching staff who knows him very well and giving himself the best possible chance of nailing down that No.3 shirt for brazil in the summer.......

Can't see any chance of him staying myself. Sure moyes going after him shows that he knows Baines would be open to the right move somewhere.....Hope kenwright gets as much cash as possible!
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I don't know with Baines. He seems to come across as chilled and comfortable. His stock has never been higher yet he is already a rich man. He could look at it as a distruption. Not saying he isn't ambitious but his mindset could be "I am happy and content where I am". Then again as you pointed out, Moyes may have already had a word in his ear to see if he would be open to the move, hence the bid.
 

ANY footballer of Baines quality would not want to have had a whole career without having played in the CL and lets face it we're not going to provide that.
 

barkleys splinter said:
Maybe Jags just hadn't had, or been allowed to have, the opportunity to move on.
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He probably could have forced through a move to Arsenal a few years back if he was really determined. Regardless Moyes, who was quite good in the transfer market, understood that even he would have trouble replacing Jags with the money he would get so he didn't want to sell.

People who want to cash in on Baines should take some time to consider that even Moyes, who likely rates himself in the transfer market, understood that realistically the odds of replacing a Jags or Baines with better players (and if we aren't getting better why are we selling?) was very, very low indeed.
 
Okay good old fashioned pros and cons list for selling the best player to put on an Everton shirt in years:

Pros:


  • Baines could get a career ending injured (risk: low and we should have insurance to some extent?).
    hello!
  • In 5 years or so he will retire (risk: very high ... but we also get 3-4 years of the best LB in the world).
    hello!
  • We could get a better player (very, very small chance ... like less than 1%).

Cons:


  • We lose the best LB in the world from our team.
    hello!
  • We almost certainly become a worse team this season and probably next (even if the replacement eventually works out).
    hello!
  • We are being forced to buy a replacement (or are we playing Oviedo?). The money the big clubs have isn't just valuable for being able to buy expensive players; it's value is in choosing *when* to buy players.
    hello!
    Imagine if we'd been forced to buy a LB the year before we bought Baines (and let's say the player we got was a serviceable player) would we then have doubled up buying another LB (to replace a decent one) the next year? With our limited funds? No. There might not be a good LB out there right now but we'll probably have to convince ourselves one of them will work out because we're forced to replace him now rather than wait for the right player at the right price over the course of the next 3 years.
    hello!
  • We'll pay more for a replacement than we should because we are known to be in the market rather than picking and choosing.
    hello!
  • Even Moyes would miss on players. Good chance some of the 20m goes on a Kroldrup or Bily.
    hello!
  • Hell the player could be great on the pitch but a super snide in the dressing room and mess up the team spirit.
    hello!
  • Player could turn out great but demand a transfer after one year. We make a modest profit and roll the dice on risk of ruin yet again.

So ... why are we selling? There is enough risk in the transfer market as is but a lot of the time you have no choice as you need new players. We DO have a choice now -- we don't need a new LB. The fact some people think taking all of those risks for almost no reward (what are the odds a new player would be better?) is insane.

If he wants to go then that's that (although you could argue that not allowing players to move just because they want to has some strategic benefits in future negotiations) ... but as far as weighing pros and cons to selling him I see very few pros to selling.

People want to "cash in" ... why? If the money won't make us a better team then what is the point of selling? I know it's hard and we're fighting an uphill battle against these money teams ... but selling Baines is giving up.

Baines is pretty much everything we ask for: didn't cost a huge price but became world class, great attitude, has been healthy, gets along with the squad well, has turned down big teams so he's loyal, seems like a great bloke off the pitch. What more could you possibly want? What do you imagine 20m will get us?

Bottom line: Baines is utterly ace. If you want to sell Baines I honestly don't know why you bother watching Everton.
 
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njligernj said:
Okay good old fashioned pros and cons list for selling the best player to put on an Everton shirt in years:

Pros:


  • Baines could get a career ending injured (risk: low and we should have insurance to some extent?).
    hello!
  • In 5 years or so he will retire (risk: very high ... but we also get 3-4 years of the best LB in the world).
    hello!
  • We could get a better player (very, very small chance ... like less than 1%).

Cons:


  • We lose the best LB in the world from our team.
    hello!
  • We almost certainly become a worse team this season and probably next (even if the replacement eventually works out).
    hello!
  • We are being forced to buy a replacement (or are we playing Oviedo?). The money the big clubs have isn't just valuable for being able to buy expensive players; it's value is in choosing *when* to buy players.
    hello!
    Imagine if we'd been forced to buy a LB the year before we bought Baines (and let's say the player we got was a serviceable player) would we then have doubled up buying another LB (to replace a decent one) the next year? With our limited funds? No. There might not be a good LB out there right now but we'll probably have to convince ourselves one of them will work out because we're forced to replace him now rather than wait for the right player at the right price over the course of the next 3 years.
    hello!
  • We'll pay more for a replacement than we should because we are known to be in the market rather than picking and choosing.
    hello!
  • Even Moyes would miss on players. Good chance some of the 20m goes on a Kroldrup or Bily.
    hello!
  • Hell the player could be great on the pitch but a super snide in the dressing room and mess up the team spirit.
    hello!
  • Player could turn out great but demand a transfer after one year. We make a modest profit and roll the dice on risk of ruin yet again.

So ... why are we selling? There is enough risk in the transfer market as is but a lot of the time you have no choice as you need new players. We DO have a choice now -- we don't need a new LB. The fact some people think taking all of those risks for almost no reward (what are the odds a new player would be better?) is insane.

If he wants to go then that's that (although you could argue that not allowing players to move just because they want to has some strategic benefits in future negotiations) ... but as far as weighing pros and cons to selling him I see very few pros to selling.

People want to "cash in" ... why? If the money won't make us a better team then what is the point of selling? I know it's hard and we're fighting an uphill battle against these money teams ... but selling Baines is giving up.

Baines is pretty much everything we ask for: didn't cost a huge price but became world class, great attitude, has been healthy, gets along with the squad well, has turned down big teams so he's loyal, seems like a great bloke off the pitch. What more could you possibly want? What do you imagine 20m will get us?

Bottom line: Baines is utterly ace. If you want to sell Baines I honestly don't know why you bother watching Everton.
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What he said ^^^
 

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