Leighton Baines

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Make no mistake, the debt is real and is not a 'smokescreen ' for anything. Reasonable debate is always welcome, but its difficult to discuss anything with davek and his fellow travellers when his posts are littered with words like 'gangsters' and suggestions that people he doesn't agree with should 'stop posting for a while'. How absolutely idiotic a comment. In other words, they want a forum to state their moans, and don't think anyone has a right to disagree. Similar to the other day when a poster was castigated for criticising the Blue Union. Who the hell do these people think they are? Passionate Evertonians I have no doubt, in most cases, and desperate, like the rest of us, for Everton to win a trophy, regular trophies. They probably have a case to state, but their phoney 'eliteism' and complete dismissal of any other argument ,and the way they 'state' their case does not do their cause any good at all.
A change of ownership at Everton is needed, provided the right owners come in. I don't think anyone is in doubt about that, but in the meantime the ship remains steady and we have a fascinating new season ahead. There are not many better feelings than the first sight of the expanse of the pitch and the high stands at the start of a new season, but I sometimes wonder if some people prefer to moan than enjoy the football.

Good post Steve.

imo many of those who you refer to there, don't even go to the game, so they don't even get to enjoy the football & dress up their apathy as a 'protest' - lol.

 

[Chang Elephant]

Make no mistake, the debt is real and is not a 'smokescreen ' for anything. Reasonable debate is always welcome, but its difficult to discuss anything with davek and his fellow travellers when his posts are littered with words like 'gangsters' and suggestions that people he doesn't agree with should 'stop posting for a while'. How absolutely idiotic a comment. In other words, they want a forum to state their moans, and don't think anyone has a right to disagree. Similar to the other day when a poster was castigated for criticising the Blue Union. Who the hell do these people think they are? Passionate Evertonians I have no doubt, in most cases, and desperate, like the rest of us, for Everton to win a trophy, regular trophies. They probably have a case to state, but their phoney 'eliteism' and complete dismissal of any other argument ,and the way they 'state' their case does not do their cause any good at all.
A change of ownership at Everton is needed, provided the right owners come in. I don't think anyone is in doubt about that, but in the meantime the ship remains steady and we have a fascinating new season ahead. There are not many better feelings than the first sight of the expanse of the pitch and the high stands at the start of a new season, but I sometimes wonder if some people prefer to moan than enjoy the football.

This is the real world not Oz. Financial competence is a prerequisite for those in charge of our club.

Your argument is dismissed and consigned to the wastebins of history.

 

[LITLEJOE]

Don,t be fooled by the "we are doing the same as everyone else " tactic. Lets not forget the bought the club for 22m and they will walk out the door with a sale price in excess of a 100million meanwhile It’s thirteen years since Bill Kenwright’s consortium took over the reins from former chairman Peter Johnson in which time the club’s balance sheet has gone from plus £20m to minus £44m due to what fans see as a total lack of investment, selling assets and increasing debt along with a failure to deliver numerous infrastructure projects, an apparent inability to solve our stadium issue, zero success in identifying a much needed new owner and, most painful of all, no trophies in a period of time when those across the park have won eleven with teams which at times haven’t been fit to lace our boots.

in one.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Your argument is dismissed and consigned to the wastebins of history.

Poetic irony that you chose to respond to his post with that.

You seriously couldn't make it up.

 

[Village Idiot]

What on earth does that mean?

Without answering for Steve, can I suggest it means

NOT the Venkys

NOT Vladimir Romanov

NOT Carson Yeung

NOT Alexandre Gaydamak

etc etc

 

[LITLEJOE]

Without answering for Steve, can I suggest it means

NOT the Venkys

NOT Vladimir Romanov

NOT Carson Yeung

NOT Alexandre Gaydamak

etc etc

and heres me thinking were Everton.

 

[throughthewindandthedrain]

The job they're doing doesn't make any sense as either 'custodians' or businessmen. You don't need a businessman to do what they're doing, which is essentially the activities of a management team - they merely oversee the bureaucratic functioning of a club. That's very different than investing in something and making sure it develops.

I repeat: there is no point to the people in that boardroom for us as supporters. They aren't prepared to act as a board should act. They are merely a dead hand on this club and will remain here in that guise until they get their pound of flesh.

totally agree that they seem to be there to just live off the club but I don't think that is different from practically any club at any time in this country. its part of the paradox for someone who would see most of this for what it is in the bigger world but still turns up year after year because I love the game and the club. I would love ultimately to see some kind of control given to the fans and the community, a model that has been proven can work. reading some of the people on here who want to sell anyone who starts to fit in at the club and show quality though maybe that needs a bit of thought too. to bring it back on topic... maybe Leighton can be some kind of 'fan ambassador' on the board. if he stays. he is staying though so maybe

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

and heres me thinking were Everton.

So us 'being Everton' precludes us suffering a catastrophic takeover then? Stunning 'logic' Joe.

 

[throughthewindandthedrain]

This is the real world not Oz. Financial competence is a prerequisite for those in charge of our club.

Your argument is dismissed and consigned to the wastebins of history.

problem is that they will claim they are financially competent by dealing with the debts and no-one can prove they're not because we are talking about investments that can't be proven yet to work. the fact that investing in nothing is more of a nonsense is an argument that is going on in the bigger world and those who think what is happening there makes no sense are easily seen as naïve by just quoting scary sounding figures. we can get rid of them in few years though and the only thing I think we can argue for is that there needs to be more democracy like this at the club or it does end up going round in circles when like so many we continue to support the club no matter what goes on

 

[ically]

Don,t be fooled by the "we are doing the same as everyone else " tactic. Lets not forget the bought the club for 22m and they will walk out the door with a sale price in excess of a 100million meanwhile It’s thirteen years since Bill Kenwright’s consortium took over the reins from former chairman Peter Johnson in which time the club’s balance sheet has gone from plus £20m to minus £44m due to what fans see as a total lack of investment, selling assets and increasing debt along with a failure to deliver numerous infrastructure projects, an apparent inability to solve our stadium issue, zero success in identifying a much needed new owner and, most painful of all, no trophies in a period of time when those across the park have won eleven with teams which at times haven’t been fit to lace our boots.

This is a fantastic post,Well said.

 

[Chang Elephant]

Poetic irony that you chose to respond to his post with that.

You seriously couldn't make it up.

You're dismissed also

 

[EFCNIK]

Daveks an utter gash worbler? Shock horror, I never knew.

 

[davek]

Daveks an utter gash worbler? Shock horror, I never knew.

Haven't you got Muslims to be terrorizing?

 

[davek]

Make no mistake, the debt is real and is not a 'smokescreen ' for anything. Reasonable debate is always welcome, but its difficult to discuss anything with davek and his fellow travellers when his posts are littered with words like 'gangsters' and suggestions that people he doesn't agree with should 'stop posting for a while'. How absolutely idiotic a comment. In other words, they want a forum to state their moans, and don't think anyone has a right to disagree. Similar to the other day when a poster was castigated for criticising the Blue Union. Who the hell do these people think they are? Passionate Evertonians I have no doubt, in most cases, and desperate, like the rest of us, for Everton to win a trophy, regular trophies. They probably have a case to state, but their phoney 'eliteism' and complete dismissal of any other argument ,and the way they 'state' their case does not do their cause any good at all.
A change of ownership at Everton is needed, provided the right owners come in. I don't think anyone is in doubt about that, but in the meantime the ship remains steady and we have a fascinating new season ahead. There are not many better feelings than the first sight of the expanse of the pitch and the high stands at the start of a new season, but I sometimes wonder if some people prefer to moan than enjoy the football.

Steve, apologies for any personal attack you might have perceived from my prior response, it wasn't meant as such. I meant it more generally as a commentary on all people who give the shysters who've run this great club for the past 14 years without investing a single shiny penny a free pass.

 

[Moomin]

Haven't you got Muslims to be terrorizing?

Its Sunday, his day of rest.