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Thats a great point mate, apart form Spurs i think there coffers will more then likey be swelled being from London, i heared today that Fans have to pay to go on the WAITING LIST for a season ticket there.
Another point is you can have a 100 million to spend but if players dont want to come to your club your in trouble! What Moysey has done brilliantly is slowly raise the profile of the club and as such we have become a club that players want to play for. I can see players looking at Jags and Lescott play for England and say ill have some of that!
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i reckon £25 million too,
weve got into our current position by being cautious/tight and also skint, we dont want to commit harikari by wading in for hugely expensive players and then going down the pan, lets not forget we could lash out on a player and then he gets injured, let having vdm here be proof that a worldclass player can go down the pan/lose interest/go off the rails, he's costing us but is proof of what can happen to a player.
i reckon moyes firmly believes that players can be brought through from lower divisions, lescott being perfect proof, and turn out better than the foreign overpriced imports. i know its more of a global game now but in the mid eighties they used to say that we had gone from being a team that people could hardly name a player to a team of players that housewives knew the names of. also there may be the 6 english rule coming in, wether players who have been here for x amount of years become "english" remains to be seen.
i expect the usual caution and probably the usual offers just below the asking price...thats the bit that gets on my wick.
weve got into our current position by being cautious/tight and also skint, we dont want to commit harikari by wading in for hugely expensive players and then going down the pan, lets not forget we could lash out on a player and then he gets injured, let having vdm here be proof that a worldclass player can go down the pan/lose interest/go off the rails, he's costing us but is proof of what can happen to a player.
i reckon moyes firmly believes that players can be brought through from lower divisions, lescott being perfect proof, and turn out better than the foreign overpriced imports. i know its more of a global game now but in the mid eighties they used to say that we had gone from being a team that people could hardly name a player to a team of players that housewives knew the names of. also there may be the 6 english rule coming in, wether players who have been here for x amount of years become "english" remains to be seen.
i expect the usual caution and probably the usual offers just below the asking price...thats the bit that gets on my wick.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
It constanatly amuses me how many supporters adopt a prudent viewpoint on club finances...and 'doing a Leeds' is always the eg trotted out as the scare tactic....pointing to clubs 'living beyond their means'. Talk about Thatcher's children!
The reality is that you can't get into the top echelon of English football without embracing speculation. You can't argue for an incremental progress of the club's fortunes, because, as David Moyes has found out after arguing that view for the last 5/6 seasons, there is a glass ceiling there that cannot be broken through with prudent budgets and good management.
If you dont want massive changes and massive chances to be taken and just want your club to be 'stable', then fine. But dont argue we can move on as a club pursuing that policy. We can't.
The reality is that you can't get into the top echelon of English football without embracing speculation. You can't argue for an incremental progress of the club's fortunes, because, as David Moyes has found out after arguing that view for the last 5/6 seasons, there is a glass ceiling there that cannot be broken through with prudent budgets and good management.
If you dont want massive changes and massive chances to be taken and just want your club to be 'stable', then fine. But dont argue we can move on as a club pursuing that policy. We can't.
davidsr
Player Valuation: £500k
I agree. As the old saying goes, " if you want to make money, you need to spend money..." The bigger the budget, the better players we can buy, the better revenue streams will be generated with fans buying the jerseys etc etc, possibly advances further in competitions therefore more money in tv rights etc etc etc...I'm not saying put the club into a 500mill debt but what is 40-50mill for a Premiership club to spend in the transfer market these days. Comparing the current total player value of the Chelsea 1st 11 to that of EFC it reads something like 120mill VS 32mill ... enough said...
The problem is fans are unapeasable, if we spend 50 mill and we are still not in the Champions Leauge we will still be calling on the board to invest!
davidsr
Player Valuation: £500k
That's true, fans will ultimately never be pleased until the club makes a cleansweep in all competitions, but in this day and age of the premiership/europe, 15-20mill is not money when looking at the prices that clubs are demanding for their players. We will not sell Arteta for 10mill so we should not expect other clubs to do the same. Yes, we picked him up for a bargain but lets move on to bigger and better players. Ultimately we are looking to win trophies, go back to the glory days where EFC was a force to be reckoned with! Not a "stable" team with NO trophies...and a good financial book for years to come. That does not attract people to the club...The more bums on seats the bigger the revenue...
linglong
Player Valuation: £25m
Oh thats easy..sell VDM to chelsea for 50 mill..job sorted.Not even on Football Manager with the cheat on do I have that much
But the board do have to back DM now..its time to talk the talk so to speak we're in our strongest position ever in the premier league and if we let it slip we'll rue it for many years to come.
Plus it had to be said Sunderland did spend a hell of a lot last summer..9 million on thier keeper wasnt it? plus another few mill on that well known superstar Chopra:blink: still cant be right every time i suppose
uknightbreed
Player Valuation: £35m
i agree with the first comment but not the second comment.
example.
cahill bent arteta on loan = tight budget = good season
davies kroldrop beatie vdm valente arteta = loads of cash = load of rubbish season
i beleive its not how much you spend but how you spend it that matters.
ie compare us to say newcastle . on paper they spent much more on there squad.in real life they suck arse and we dont.they have a 'group of players' that needs a major overhaul , we need 1 or 2 players to add to our 'team'.
its just seems to me that if moyes spends under 5.5 million on a player then the player will make a profit/do well. any over 5.5 million and they tend to lose money and not be as succesfull as expected.
to make money you have 3 choices ...be succesfull , be prudent or buy low sell high.
i dont think we can improove our youth set up any more but i do think our scouting network can be vastly improoved so we can buy the gems at a very low price , coach them to reach there full potential then either they will be good enough to bring us success , if not at the very least make us a tidy profit to re-invest on more raw talent.
linglong
Player Valuation: £25m
The difference between them and us is simple..when they splashed the cash they had an incompitent manager,we as we all know now have a very capable one,so really while i would'nt condone that sort of cash splash DM needs backing to the fullest hilt by BK and his cronies.
TX Bill
Player Valuation: £80m
Are you kidding? What do you think Everton have done over the past 5 years under Moyes? Do the words "Incremental Progress" come to mind because that's exactly what's happened.
Don't get the Thatcher's children comment though.
You can call it a "scare tactic" all you want but unfortunately for those who constantly argue we've got to spend more each year to compete because of the "glass ceiling," it's the 800 pound gorilla in the room. You did get one thing right though. I DON'T want massive chances taken and DO want stability. Sure Leeds tried to do it all in one season. I don't ever see Moyes and Kenwright going down that path with a "it's now or never" attitude.
Conversely, the problem with your argument (and one no doubt you've heard before) is that spending more DOES NOT guarantee success (and no doubt I don't need to name clubs for you here as well)
Does anyone want to tell me that over the past 5 years that Moyes has been in charge, there's been no improvement or only enough to get to where we are and no higher? I dare any Evertonian to say we haven't been competing on the budget we've been working on since Moyes has been here. I'm confident I don't need to remind supporters of how things we're under Walter Smith.
This is not to say I'm not for spending. It's blatantly obvious that we need to continue to spend to maintain our position as well as to improve it. I just want us to do it in a manner consistent with what we've done so far and in a manner that doesn't lead us down the wrong path.
So when I hear figures like 40M being bandied about, where's that money gonna come from? What's that going to do to our debt situation?
Personally, I feel much more comfortable in the 20M to 25M range. If we for some reason, do have 40M, then spend 25M and put 15M towards our debt to reduce what we're paying in interest each year to service it.
But if someone were to offer me either A) A couple of shots at the League title along with Champions League football and the potential cost structure that comes with it (i.e. unsustainable) or B) the potential to break into Champions League football and break into the top four with a much more stable financial situation, I'll choose B every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Some may call that unambitious. I'd call it financial sensibility.
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davek
Player Valuation: £150m
That is a textbook Thatcher's child analysis of why we should sit tight and not push on. You say '£40M...no thanks, too much of a risk'. How much do you think this board are preparing to throw at the proposed stadium in Kirkby - an even bigger risk for the club's future? Do you support that but not investment in the team?
We had our best season in the Premiership points-wise...we finished 11 points off Liverpool in 4th. A street in football terms.
We need investment on the scale we have never seen before to progress. The board shirk their responsibility this summer at their own peril.
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