Kyle Naughton

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lordyefc said:
To repeat, the player's agent is chosen by the player.

Even if the agent did this sort of thing and the player kept quiet, it would come out in a few years time. The player would realise (several years too late) that his agent messed him around. Now here's the thing: the agent's reputation would be ruined. No young player would hire an agent who had a reputation for giving selfish advice.

It's self-selecting - the agents who attract new clients will be the ones who do what the player wants him to do successfully. Paul Stretford showed himself to be a shady character - the judge in the Rooney case said as much. Yet new players still flock to him. Why? Because he does exactly what his clients want him to do - manufacture big money moves on big wages to big clubs. If he was forcing bad career moves on young players, everyone would know this and he'd get no new clients.
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If players were as clever as you think they are, maybe so. I'm sure there are plenty of agents that are actually [Poor language removed] that have a reputation for being brilliant and vice versa. It's not like the opinions of the players are the ONLY thing that builds an agent a reputation. For instance, say Naughton does actually go to Spurs. He doesn't really want to go there, but he gets pushed into it. He gets paid loads of money and he's at a big London club. Naughton's agent then meets one of the new breed of Sheff U youngsters and tells them all about how he managed to get Naughton to Spurs on massive money. The new kid signs up as he thinks the agent is 'mental good m8, got one of the other lads like 30k or some [Poor language removed]', despite Mr Agent actually being a complete ******. No one finds out about anything and the slimy agent is kept in business.
 

Brownie said:
The new kid signs up as he thinks the agent is 'mental good m8, got one of the other lads like 30k or some [Poor language removed]', despite Mr Agent actually being a complete ******. No one finds out about anything and the slimy agent is kept in business.
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You're assuming that players never talk to eachother, that a player who feels slighted never feels the need to bitch about the agent.

Of course, you'll say that young playes might hire a dodgy agent anyway, in spite of bad rumours, because he's heard more good than bad. And you'd be right. That says everything about modern players though - that they'd hire a guy who he'd heard bad things about just because he'd heard how much money they'd make.
 
Ok Lordy lerd, but say this happened, this is just a made up story.

Naughton wants to come to Everton, we are offering 20k a week. His agent wants him to go Spurs, because they are offering 30k a week. So hes talked into or forced into signing for Spurs. He complains to another player, "Yeah I wanted to go Everton, but my evil agent got me another 10k a week and made me go Spurs".

Its hardly a story of evil.
 

This saga is a bit like Dragons Den where two of the Dragons fight over a decent invention.

Unfortunately, we're the stingy Scottish dragon. Duncan "I'm out" Bannatyne.
 
MikelsGoat said:
Ok Lordy lerd, but say this happened, this is just a made up story.

Naughton wants to come to Everton, we are offering 20k a week. His agent wants him to go Spurs, because they are offering 30k a week. So hes talked into or forced into signing for Spurs. He complains to another player, "Yeah I wanted to go Everton, but my evil agent got me another 10k a week and made me go Spurs".

Its hardly a story of evil.
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Sorry, I'm not following your point. A player can't be forced into signing for Spurs. If he wants to sign for Everton, he could tomorrow.

My point really is that generally when players sign for the club offering an extra £10k, it's because they wanted to sign for the club that was offering an extra £10k. The alternative story about how young players volantarily pick an agent who is known for getting the best deals, are somehow blissfully unaware of the agents history of pushing players to make poor career choices, doesn't notice that he's being manipulated or is too naive/sky to stand up against it - it's all just a lot less convincing to me than "young player doesn't know how his career will develop, so takes the biggest money offer now in case he never sees an offer like it again" or "young player is greedy and just wants the money".

Yes, you can come up with a scenario where an agent is consistantly working against his clients' best interests, but his reputation among footballers never suffers, but stand back and think about it: how likely is that really?

I think that people want to believe that footballers are still at least partly pure of heart, and it suits to pin the blame on agents. Sadly, agents do really have their clients wishes at heart. It's just that the players are just as moneygrabbing as we imagine the agents to be.


None of this should be read as damning of Naughton, who is likely to be no different from any other footballer. The kid will make the decision that he thinks is best for him. If he signs for Spurs, it won't be because his agent tricked him.
 
I was just throwing it out there. There are some good agents, who are only interested in what their clients wants, but I can see them being few and far between. I could just picture an agent as being a sly and cunning fox, who in the end would probably make some players think it was their idea to go to certain clubs.

Agents are known as sly and cunning, footballers are known as stupid and greedy, sterotypes yes, but it isnt all untrue.

If the storys are true and Naughton does wish to join us, then he will sign for us. If thats the case, hes got his head screwed on.
 

Seems KW didn't turn up for the medical at the Lane so maybe it's a case of 'Look, I told you I want to join my old mucker at Everton so you can stick your Spurs where the sun don't shine and I'll have my medical at Finch Farm!' (y)
 

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