Agree completely mate.
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Agree completely mate.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
I agree with a lot of that, but isn't this an argument about society generally, lack of privacy which has translated down to youth teams? I remember arguing (on here as well if you want to go back and vault) that I'm quite sceptical about the idea of streaming every game showing our under 18's upwards for reasons you've outlined.
However if you are going to report the game, it would be hard to describe Dowells performance as anything other than brilliant. I think the issue is that people expect updates on young players not the description.
My concern with this rhetoric though, is it is used to clamp down on people who might legitimately be calling for younger players to be given an opportunity over senior players who may not be as good.
DRINGO
Player Valuation: £5m
I really dont think the club posting superb goal etc is gonna have much bearing on his career haha !
can see what one of his mates saying "eh kieran, see them fellas over there ? they think you're boss ! and a future Everton star ! "
kieran " oh no i'm doomed i'll never make it now ! "
can see what one of his mates saying "eh kieran, see them fellas over there ? they think you're boss ! and a future Everton star ! "
kieran " oh no i'm doomed i'll never make it now ! "
mightymoyes
Player Valuation: £70m
we're constantly complaining on the youth teams thread about the lack of decent coverage most of the time of the u21s and u18s as well!
Put him on the bench and give him 5 mins. Get him the feel of being in the first team on a matchday. If the game is tight then don't even bring him on. Just being round the older lads will help am sure.
Rather him warm the bench than the like of Pienaar.
Rather him warm the bench than the like of Pienaar.
It's probably this simple. There's a need to protect young players, but you've also got to give them a chance to show you what they've got.
A valid question is whether the attention kills young players or simply exposes their weaknesses. You don't want to scar them, but sometimes you spend great effort protecting a fragile egg only to realize all you've got is a fragile egg.
Toffeelover
Player Valuation: £80m
Wow! Just goes to show if you are good enough!!!!!!!
Socrates
Player Valuation: £6m
I agree with GOT.
We shouldn't be hyping up the scouse Ronaldo.
That said, if the lad is good enough to forge himself a career with Everton then he will have to get used to the limelight.
Ball skills are one thing, being strong mentally and being able to handle pressure is what separate Premier League players from the rest.
Perhaps the club are preparing him in all aspects of the game which in the modern game includes 24 hour sports channels, social media and the internet.
If he gets the right development, he has every chance of getting a game in the first team.
From there, it's up to him to show he's worth playing again and again and again until he gets 50 games under his belt when he can be classed as a first team player.
He's got a long way to go before that happens though.
Good luck to the lad. I hope it all works out for him and he lives the dream.
We shouldn't be hyping up the scouse Ronaldo.
That said, if the lad is good enough to forge himself a career with Everton then he will have to get used to the limelight.
Ball skills are one thing, being strong mentally and being able to handle pressure is what separate Premier League players from the rest.
Perhaps the club are preparing him in all aspects of the game which in the modern game includes 24 hour sports channels, social media and the internet.
If he gets the right development, he has every chance of getting a game in the first team.
From there, it's up to him to show he's worth playing again and again and again until he gets 50 games under his belt when he can be classed as a first team player.
He's got a long way to go before that happens though.
Good luck to the lad. I hope it all works out for him and he lives the dream.
5mins is a waste of everybody'd time... 20 at least, say to Lukaku 60 mins for you sunshine if I don't see some action the lad here will be on for you.
I really wish you could mix them up like metals and bung in 30% of pure Straq for a bit of effort and attitude.
TheFinnFan
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This kind of "hype" cant harm him if he has true witz and skills.
Lionel Naismith
Player Valuation: £6m
That first goal though
mightymoyes
Player Valuation: £70m
shame hes goin to make his premier league debut in such a toxic atmosphere
Well you would hope that any youngster appearing would get a degree of leeway, but these days people make instant opinions and these can be so polarised we'll either have the new Messi-ah or he'll be labelled complete cack. I recall the post in the Youth thread after they'd lost in the Cup to Aston Villa :" well they can't be any good then", a complete team dismissed which ironically featured Callum Connolly and Kieran Dowell.
A lot of people have missed the point that Dowell has been discussed, debated , criticised , praised regularly in the past 9 months in the Youth thread, from his sound appearances in pre season games, his injury, goal on his return for the u18s and quietly building up in the past three months as he regained fitness and showed his potential. Lob the goalkeeper from 35 yds? Yep he did that against Southampton. Curling in goals from outside of the box ? Yep at least four of those in previous games. The fact that he did three such goals in the same match means he's suddenly been "discovered" and overhyped , whereas even without that hat trick he's previously been the one most touted as deserving of a spot in the first team squad.
People have been balanced enough to recognise he's got a lot of competition in his position ahead of him and wouldn't get straight into the first team . The frustration has been , well for me anyway, the number of players sitting on the bench ahead of him who are no longer capable of contributing to our club . Martinez said three youngsters were in the running for the Southampton game, Connolly and Davies made it , it's highly likely that Dowell was the third who didn't make it. That was disappointing but understandable given his playing position , where our injuries were and having two u18s in already.
The recent overhype shouldn't cause people to react in the opposite way . This is a pretty talented youngster who while needing to be nurtured and developed further, deserves a chance to show his potential on a bigger stage. From what you see of his demeanour on the pitch he looks to be a level headed youngster , not a "look at me , look at me" type. His arms raised reaction to his hat trick goal is the most animated celebration I've seen from him, usually he just quietly walks away from his wonder goals before being mobbed - most guys of his age would be running to the touch line, sliding on their knees etc. So I have no qualms about how he would handle his debut when it comes, and really it will be just another chance to measure his character and potential. If , as many of us believe, he has the potential to go a lot further then having the right mental attitude to cope with adversity comes with the territory. Pitch him in if the opportunity arises, being on the wrong end of a hiding shouldn't scar a young player with potential, coming back from a potentially career ending injury like Ross and hopefully Luke Shaw is what requires real character.
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