2024/25 Kevin Thelwell

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Bedfordblue said:
Would be interesting to know what has driven his departure.
Seems to me that he’s been told they want to go with a different strategy and he’d prefer to go elsewhere than oversee his last 3 years work undone to pursue a philosophy he’s maybe not enamoured with.

It feels to me like he could have stayed on if he wanted.

Don’t think he’s done anything wrong in the circumstances and the pros certainly outweigh the cons from his tenure for me.
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Yep, from what I can tell TFG are going in a different direction and we won’t have a DoF as such. With Kinnear coming in from Leeds as the new CEO it’s rumoured that he’ll bring Nick Hammond from Leeds with him but not to directly replace Thelwell : “ Sources close to the situation have told BBC Sport that if appointed, Hammond's key responsibilities could include overseeing player contracts.“
They’ll have their own ideas on structure that fits in with their spending plans, that’s inevitable and I’m fine with that initially. My worry is they mess with things that have improved like the Academy/ u21s. When Thelwell joined it was a mess with Unsworth seemingly head of everything, once he’d been moved on things have improved substantially in all kinds of areas .
 

blueloon said:
Yep, from what I can tell TFG are going in a different direction and we won’t have a DoF as such. With Kinnear coming in from Leeds as the new CEO it’s rumoured that he’ll bring Nick Hammond from Leeds with him but not to directly replace Thelwell : “ Sources close to the situation have told BBC Sport that if appointed, Hammond's key responsibilities could include overseeing player contracts.“
They’ll have their own ideas on structure that fits in with their spending plans, that’s inevitable and I’m fine with that initially. My worry is they mess with things that have improved like the Academy/ u21s. When Thelwell joined it was a mess with Unsworth seemingly head of everything, once he’d been moved on things have improved substantially in all kinds of areas .
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Not having a go at you here but that post perfectly encapsulates the way modern business strategizes and solutionises itself out of having one competent person with clear responsibilities and replaces it with several incompetent ones with unclear ones.

Thelwell wasn’t a traditional DoF (if there was such a thing), as in there wasn’t all that garbage about philosophy and he didn’t row with managers, even when (as we now know) he was right all along. He was a general improver and a preventer of people (managers and at board level) doing stupid things, specifically the same stupid things that got us in to such a mess. That brake on idiocy is probably why he’s gone, you can’t have someone at this club going against football orthodoxy (like when he twice refused to spend money in January and we improved massively by relying on players we had at the club) and be proved right.
 
tsubaki said:
Not having a go at you here but that post perfectly encapsulates the way modern business strategizes and solutionises itself out of having one competent person with clear responsibilities and replaces it with several incompetent ones with unclear ones.

Thelwell wasn’t a traditional DoF (if there was such a thing), as in there wasn’t all that garbage about philosophy and he didn’t row with managers, even when (as we now know) he was right all along. He was a general improver and a preventer of people (managers and at board level) doing stupid things, specifically the same stupid things that got us in to such a mess. That brake on idiocy is probably why he’s gone, you can’t have someone at this club going against football orthodoxy (like when he twice refused to spend money in January and we improved massively by relying on players we had at the club) and be proved right.
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I think the key part of your post is the (possibly inadvertent) acceptance that there isn't really such a thing as a traditional DoF. What the job entails at different clubs appears to differ hugely, and so the type of person needed differs depending on what you actually want them to do. Thelwell appeared to do a pretty solid job of restructuring the football side of things here, and overseeing a sensible transfer policy under tight financial constraints. That was what we needed at the time and he should be applauded for doing it well. Doing well in the role as it was, and doing well in the role as it would be now, or as it would be at another club with a different set up, are not the same thing, and it's quite possible that he wouldn't be the right man to take the steps we're looking to take now. It's no different to some managers being suited to a certain type of job or even players working in specific systems.
 

tsubaki said:
Not having a go at you here but that post perfectly encapsulates the way modern business strategizes and solutionises itself out of having one competent person with clear responsibilities and replaces it with several incompetent ones with unclear ones.

Thelwell wasn’t a traditional DoF (if there was such a thing), as in there wasn’t all that garbage about philosophy and he didn’t row with managers, even when (as we now know) he was right all along. He was a general improver and a preventer of people (managers and at board level) doing stupid things, specifically the same stupid things that got us in to such a mess. That brake on idiocy is probably why he’s gone, you can’t have someone at this club going against football orthodoxy (like when he twice refused to spend money in January and we improved massively by relying on players we had at the club) and be proved right.
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I still dont know if Thelwell done a great job or terrible job, us fans only see what he provides to the squad but we dont know if he had prevented any disasters happening coming from the previous owner and chairman.

One thing i think he did do was stop the chaos, the squad was crying out for better quality but that might of been secondary to the finances (PSR breaching) although us fans couldnt see it, we only care about what we have on the pitch.

Maybe his primary task was not to improve the squad as such but to settle the finances and keep our heads above water at the same time, if so then he done a good job.
 
Bally1989 said:
You're telling me the best clubs in the world weren't lining up to bring him in?

Surely not talking about the same "Mr Talent I.D." who was excellent at you know making attempts to sign good players but ended up signing Maupay!

Not having it!!
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So why do Rangers want to hire a completely useless guy then? Bet he won't be working for free so they must be really stupid up there?
 

blueconverse said:
Think he will do well at Rangers as long as they don't trust him to buy a striker. Never knew we paid 16m for Chermitti when we were skint.
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They’re a great club to be fair and agree, I think he would do well there.

If he was the answer for us i think he would of been kept on , could be wrong of course.
 
Lanolin said:
I think the key part of your post is the (possibly inadvertent) acceptance that there isn't really such a thing as a traditional DoF. What the job entails at different clubs appears to differ hugely, and so the type of person needed differs depending on what you actually want them to do. Thelwell appeared to do a pretty solid job of restructuring the football side of things here, and overseeing a sensible transfer policy under tight financial constraints. That was what we needed at the time and he should be applauded for doing it well. Doing well in the role as it was, and doing well in the role as it would be now, or as it would be at another club with a different set up, are not the same thing, and it's quite possible that he wouldn't be the right man to take the steps we're looking to take now. It's no different to some managers being suited to a certain type of job or even players working in specific systems.
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There’s a lot of good sense in your post. For long periods of time we were without a Board, had an absentee owner with little interest and it appeared that only Colin Chong and Thelwell were guiding the ship at a senior level. Chong did a good job but is not a footballing CEO, in a similar vein many posters in here have recognised the good job Thelwell did in the circumstances. Those circumstances have changed. I’ll wait to see which direction TFG take us.
 

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