Jose Mourinho is boss
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Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Always a legend in my eyes. They didn’t deserve you Jose. Get home to Inter.
Billysgingham.
Player Valuation: £40m
Never mind inter get him here.
goodisonopheliac
Player Valuation: £30m
Called it.
You may well be right but a big name like Zidane, even unemployed, may take time to sort out the deal. Plus they want to bring in an overarching DOF model so they have a set system of play and recruitment and aren't having to reset everything every time a coach leaves. I guess it's better to take the time to get both appointments right for the long term and write this season off.
Waiting till summer gives them time to recruit and put things in place before a new manager formally arrives (Citeh did it with Guardiola) so as to hit the ground smoothly and keep the pressure off that bit more. If a new man isn't performing just a few games into the season then the murmurs are ridiculous - Pellegrini at West Ham was an example until they turned us over, Fraudiola was called out numerous times and even Sir Alex got the usual past it jibes every time ManUre weren't straight out of the blocks numerous times.
toffeejack
Player Valuation: £100m
it's difficult to judge which way this'll go for united. They hated moyes for the style of football, they went for a similar styled manager in van gaal. The fans still hated the style of football but they went for another with a similar style in mourinho.
Never really understood the plan there, but surely they won't do it again, they need someone who can get the best out of their attackers because they're quite top heavy in that department. I mean a lot of managers could get a fine tune out of:
Sanchez, Lukaku, Rashford, Martial, Lingaard, Mata, Pogba - even their full backs are attacking wingers in Valencia and Young. But look at their defenders, they're dreadful. Maybe, the same as their attackers, Bailly and Lindelof, for example are just not performing anywhere near their potential, but it's going to take a few windows to fix imo.
Think there is no coincidence that Martial signed a new deal yesterday before this came out, then there's so many more they need to sign, they may all sign soon enough and then start playing well and that would be the poorest example of how far player power has gone. If this does happen, united should be fining them months worth of wages, hell we should have bloody done it when our whole squad downed tools to get martinez sacked, it's a sad state of the games.
Never really understood the plan there, but surely they won't do it again, they need someone who can get the best out of their attackers because they're quite top heavy in that department. I mean a lot of managers could get a fine tune out of:
Sanchez, Lukaku, Rashford, Martial, Lingaard, Mata, Pogba - even their full backs are attacking wingers in Valencia and Young. But look at their defenders, they're dreadful. Maybe, the same as their attackers, Bailly and Lindelof, for example are just not performing anywhere near their potential, but it's going to take a few windows to fix imo.
Think there is no coincidence that Martial signed a new deal yesterday before this came out, then there's so many more they need to sign, they may all sign soon enough and then start playing well and that would be the poorest example of how far player power has gone. If this does happen, united should be fining them months worth of wages, hell we should have bloody done it when our whole squad downed tools to get martinez sacked, it's a sad state of the games.
BigMick
Player Valuation: £20m
Was with you until the final sentence: comparing what happened to Martinez to what's happened to Mourinho is like comparing Aiden Mcgeady with Lionel Messi.
TheFinnFan
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Love your calmness. Keep that.
Kurt.
Player Valuation: £100m
I’m still of the opinion he’s a top manager but something went wrong in the changing room and the players downed tools... I believe they need to take a long hard look at themselves... whatever happened to professional pride ?? Even at the lowly level I played at I never always agreed with my managers but I would never give a half arsed performance or down tools ... my own pride would never allow that. Jose will move on and be successful elsewhere I’m sure but it will be interesting to see what happens to half of that team under a new manager.
toffeejack
Player Valuation: £100m
Our players did the same as theirs, we had the 7th best squad and they were producing crap performances. We were underachieving dramatically which is what my point was, as are united if you look at the fees they paid for some World class players.
His bill from staying at the Lowry was over half a mill apparently, not including food. That's a lot of porn.
Chris O'Connor
Player Valuation: £35m
Mourinho was struggling and didn't or wasn't going to get the best out of players they bought in, even if it was as much or far more those players' shortcomings in character or ability that were at fault, he won't be there now but Woodward and the current hierarchy will, the problems lie deeper imo than just changing a manager, they've tried a few since Sir Alex, and won't solve the post Fergie problem.
The Glazers aren't interested in football and they have a chief exec who doesn't cut it on football matters having little understanding other than commercially which although very important isn't enough, Woodward needs help. Utd are run for commercial profit, something they're very good at producing as a business but negate the strategy and forward thinking needed to maintain those levels by being successful on the field.
Everything football seems to be about a short term fix atm, throw money and players at it but no real plan, if they don't come off or don't fit in too bad.
Mourinho was in a way part of this and was a panic measure to reply to their neighbours capturing Guardiola, they had to do something, anything, get a big name, Louis van Gaal and his football couldn't be tolerated, so they got José.
He has brought them silverware of a sort in a domestic cup and the often derided Europa League (except when Liverpool are playing Seville in the final), but it was never long term thinking and it's just been found out.
Much more than just the manager has to change for me, sack Mourinho is too simplistic and won't fix everything.
The Glazers aren't interested in football and they have a chief exec who doesn't cut it on football matters having little understanding other than commercially which although very important isn't enough, Woodward needs help. Utd are run for commercial profit, something they're very good at producing as a business but negate the strategy and forward thinking needed to maintain those levels by being successful on the field.
Everything football seems to be about a short term fix atm, throw money and players at it but no real plan, if they don't come off or don't fit in too bad.
Mourinho was in a way part of this and was a panic measure to reply to their neighbours capturing Guardiola, they had to do something, anything, get a big name, Louis van Gaal and his football couldn't be tolerated, so they got José.
He has brought them silverware of a sort in a domestic cup and the often derided Europa League (except when Liverpool are playing Seville in the final), but it was never long term thinking and it's just been found out.
Much more than just the manager has to change for me, sack Mourinho is too simplistic and won't fix everything.
Chris O'Connor
Player Valuation: £35m
Pochettino only has eyes for Real Madrid, he's obviously a Spanish native speaker and has built up a special emotional bond with the club, apparently it's always been his dream to manage them and i think it's highly likely United will struggle to come near that tbh, so a temporary manager until the end of the season and probably Laurent Blanc looks likely. Although now I've heard the Ole Gunnar Solskjaer rumours too.
No permanent replacement is likely to come until season end which makes the timing of the dismissal particularly curious and just points to the whole decision making being a mess. I've no real idea who even makes the decisions above the manager, who tells Mourinho this or that player is not on, Woodward? Does Ed ask Bobby Charlton or Sir Alex on football matters and who decides on managerial appointments?
It goes against reason and how they acted when David Moyes and Louis van Gaal were dismissed later into or at the end of the season, It's possibly that they recognise the seismic fault with their decision making post Sir Alex and they want to change the structure by recruiting a top class Director of Football, something Mourinho was known to object to. Maybe Mourinho has proved an obstacle to this change and has made them go early on the sacking, it just seems so far from ideal timing.
Temporary bosses are usually ultra expensive at a time they're reportedly already laying out around 15m in this season's wages compensation for Mourinho, so to have to pay an exorbitant amount through the nose on top of that just spells MAYHEM.
The whole club's structure from top to bottom is a wreck, there's no strategy or forward planning and all this just chimes with that
Pochettino is an end of season target but Levy won't release him without a huge fight and that's if he'd even leave Spurs for United (he probably would as United are still one of the biggest in the World and dwarf Spurs) plus he has his eyes on Real Madrid, The likelihood is that United will find it a real struggle to secure their man if Real are looking.
No permanent replacement is likely to come until season end which makes the timing of the dismissal particularly curious and just points to the whole decision making being a mess. I've no real idea who even makes the decisions above the manager, who tells Mourinho this or that player is not on, Woodward? Does Ed ask Bobby Charlton or Sir Alex on football matters and who decides on managerial appointments?
It goes against reason and how they acted when David Moyes and Louis van Gaal were dismissed later into or at the end of the season, It's possibly that they recognise the seismic fault with their decision making post Sir Alex and they want to change the structure by recruiting a top class Director of Football, something Mourinho was known to object to. Maybe Mourinho has proved an obstacle to this change and has made them go early on the sacking, it just seems so far from ideal timing.
Temporary bosses are usually ultra expensive at a time they're reportedly already laying out around 15m in this season's wages compensation for Mourinho, so to have to pay an exorbitant amount through the nose on top of that just spells MAYHEM.
The whole club's structure from top to bottom is a wreck, there's no strategy or forward planning and all this just chimes with that
Pochettino is an end of season target but Levy won't release him without a huge fight and that's if he'd even leave Spurs for United (he probably would as United are still one of the biggest in the World and dwarf Spurs) plus he has his eyes on Real Madrid, The likelihood is that United will find it a real struggle to secure their man if Real are looking.
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